Rhino 235 solid shank bullet in 9.3X57

[Pacobillie]

There is no data available for this specific bullet. I know that Rhino recommends using data for traditional bullets of comparable weight.
This is for a 9.3X57, an obsolete cartridge for which there is scarce published data.

The good news is that the rifle is a Husky 146 built on an FN Mauser 98 action, in good condition.

I have tried up to 48.5 grains of H4895 behind that bullet, and had disappointing velocities (2290 fps). Any more powder (H4895) would be a compressed load.

Hence, my desire to try a faster powder. I have H322 on hand. Of course, I would start low and work up.

In theory, 2450 fps should be attainable.

Does anyone have experience with the Rhino or a similar weight bullet and H322 in 9.3X57 in a 98 action? What were your findings?

 

[DrMike]

An excellent little cartridge that is comparable to a 358 Win in stopping power. QL suggests several powders that might be acceptable for you.

Cartridge          : 9.3 x 57
Bullet             : .366,235, Rhino SolidShank
Useable Case Capaci: 59.810 grain H2O = 3.883 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.228 inch = 81.99 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 42700 psi, or 294 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Somchem S365                       111.0     60.9     3.94    2455    96.2    42700    8058   1.210  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T               102.9     59.5     3.86    2451    95.2    42700    8308   1.209  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           102.2     59.1     3.83    2444    94.2    42700    8128   1.211  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T              102.2     59.1     3.83    2444    94.2    42700    8128   1.211  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      108.4     59.8     3.87    2435    92.5    42700    7880   1.222  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  107.5     62.1     4.02    2434    91.5    42700    7994   1.216  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C                 104.1     58.7     3.80    2419    92.1    42700    7811   1.223  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C                       107.2     58.4     3.79    2413    92.1    42700    7725   1.219  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         107.2     58.5     3.79    2413    92.1    42700    7723   1.219  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T           106.5     57.2     3.71    2411    91.9    42700    7802   1.215  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RL16 TZ *C *T               106.5     57.2     3.71    2411    91.9    42700    7802   1.215  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       99.5     53.6     3.48    2403    98.9    42700    7313   1.267  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       99.4     55.4     3.59    2402    95.8    42700    7500   1.242  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          99.4     55.4     3.59    2402    95.8    42700    7500   1.242  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C               105.5     62.0     4.01    2399    89.0    42700    8002   1.218  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       93.7     50.5     3.27    2399    99.9    42700    7067   1.274  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                103.6     60.8     3.94    2396    88.9    42700    7737   1.221  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR                        103.8     57.2     3.71    2395    91.1    42700    7556   1.221  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     107.0     60.9     3.95    2395    88.8    42700    7724   1.221  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      101.7     55.4     3.59    2394    95.4    42700    7406   1.243  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       101.3     59.1     3.83    2394    87.9    42700    7647   1.222  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     101.3     59.1     3.83    2394    87.9    42700    7647   1.222  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                107.8     61.4     3.98    2391    88.1    42700    7722   1.221  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       91.8     53.4     3.46    2391    97.9    42700    7190   1.247  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle          93.9     53.4     3.46    2391    97.9    42700    7190   1.247  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        93.9     53.4     3.46    2391    97.9    42700    7190   1.247  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                109.9     58.6     3.80    2388    94.4    42700    7352   1.219  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           112.0     59.1     3.83    2381    92.0    41143    7558   1.244  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                       100.6     54.2     3.51    2377    95.2    42700    7295   1.245  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 *C              112.0     66.4     4.30    2367    86.6    39244    8459   1.262  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        97.7     55.1     3.57    2365    91.8    42700    7314   1.244  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C              111.0     61.2     3.97    2359    84.2    42700    7492   1.226  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation    106.9     59.9     3.88    2358    87.4    42700    7323   1.229  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         111.7     61.6     3.99    2352    84.0    42700    7425   1.227  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350              105.5     57.5     3.73    2349    88.6    42700    7255   1.247  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         105.5     57.5     3.73    2349    88.6    42700    7255   1.247  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C                       112.0     64.4     4.18    2347    83.5    39623    8020   1.260  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       112.0     62.4     4.04    2341    85.9    41084    7372   1.250  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        108.4     59.8     3.87    2339    83.9    42700    7250   1.229  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          108.4     59.8     3.87    2339    83.9    42700    7250   1.229  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C                       105.0     59.8     3.87    2339    83.9    42700    7250   1.229  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        109.6     60.1     3.89    2337    83.2    42700    7318   1.228  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                    91.8     54.3     3.52    2335    91.6    42700    7012   1.252  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                         103.5     55.8     3.62    2335    90.5    42700    7081   1.252  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Long Rifle          103.5     55.8     3.62    2335    90.5    42700    7081   1.252  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                       90.9     47.6     3.09    2332    98.3    42700    6746   1.279  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N555 *C*T               112.0     60.5     3.92    2318    89.8    35577    7814   1.317
IMR 7828 SSC                       112.0     63.4     4.11    2313    78.5    41977    7408   1.240  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      101.6     55.0     3.56    2310    87.3    42700    6921   1.254  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                         101.6     55.0     3.56    2310    87.3    42700    6921   1.254  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        98.4     55.0     3.57    2309    87.2    42700    6915   1.254  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      108.8     59.1     3.83    2308    82.5    42700    6934   1.235  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             109.4     63.6     4.12    2305    83.1    42700    7039   1.234  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC *T                111.5     62.1     4.03    2299    79.7    42700    7006   1.235  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron *C*T              112.0     60.1     3.89    2294    81.5    42679    6868   1.239  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        112.0     62.4     4.04    2294    78.3    41458    7261   1.248  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 *C                 112.0     63.1     4.09    2287    77.2    38511    7511   1.284  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       108.1     63.5     4.11    2284    81.1    42700    6750   1.244  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 *C              112.0     62.4     4.04    2282    80.7    37662    7499   1.296  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       112.0     62.4     4.04    2282    80.7    37662    7499   1.296  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 *C                    112.0     62.4     4.04    2282    80.7    37662    7499   1.296  ! Near Maximum !

 

[Pacobillie]

An excellent little cartridge that is comparable to a 358 Win in stopping power. QL suggests several powders that might be acceptable for you.

Thanks, but the Rhino bullet is not long enough, at 1.127, to achieve a COL of 3.224. The case is 2.22 in long. 3.08 in. is a more realistic COL. This will also translate into less internal volume, and eliminate most of the really slow burn rate powders.

Also, you set the MAP at 42,700 PSI. Please note that there is no CIP MAP for the 9.3X57. 42700 PSI is way too low for a M98 action. 58000 PSI would be more realistic.

Would you be able to run QL with these numbers?

Thanks!

 

[Pacobillie]

In addition to the points outlined in post#3, please stipulate a 24 inch barrel length.