shotgun ( or two ) for granddaughter

[Europe]

She likes to both waterfowl and upland hunt. To date she has hunted Geese, Ducks, Cranes, pheasant, quail, grouse, ptarmigan and chukar. She enjoyed hunting waterfowl but says her favorite is pheasant and ptarmigan ( she also said she will never hunt chukar again lol )

I am thinking either a Syren ( for women ) or a Connecticut ( made for her ) Thinking a 12 gauge and a double .

She is 5' 11" and not a heavy set girl

This will be for hunting not sporting.

So gentlemen

1. shotgun manufacturer ?
2. shotgun gauge ?
3. shotgun style ?


what would you or did you get your daughter or grand daughter ?

Thank you!

 

[Richracer1]

My suggestion would be a 20 gauge semi-automatic. I personally like the Beretta semis as they use some of the gas pressure to cycle the action which will help with felt recoil.

 

[truck driver]

Wish you would have said something before I traded the Beretta last week. It could have had the stock cut down to fit here and would have been just what the doctor ordered. A nice side by side or over under should do nicely. Light 12ga loads or a 20ga 3" mag wouldn't beat here up too bad with a good recoil pad and it isn't like she would shoot a 100 rounds a day out of it unless she took up sporting clays, trap or skeet and then she would need a different gun any way.

 

[JD338]

April,
I would suggest your granddaughter go to a good gun shop and get fitted for the shotguns. She is a pretty tall young lady and having the proper fit, in my opinion, is the most important element for her enjoyment and success.

JD338

 

[Blkram]

I would look hard at either the Benelli Ethos or Ultralight in 28 gauge. (I am going for the Ultralight as I will predominantly hunt grouse, ptarmigan, partridge, perhaps chukar, and hopefully pheasant someday. Most of my shots wil be less than 40 yards.)
Beautiful shotguns, light, handy, and very little recoil.

The Ethos is also chambered to the new Fiocchi 3" loads and has been used successfully on pheasant and larger gamebirds and ducks with #6 shot out over 50 yards. Also comes with shim kits so that the stock can be adjusted for fit.

There is a thread on here about the 28 gauge and the Benelli Ultralight (which is only chambered for the 2 3/4"). As she does want to hunt larger birds, I would recommend the Ethos with 3" capability.
There are some great videos online (Benelli and Youtube sites) that give reviews by field writers and women champions in shotgunning sports.

 

[Europe]

Thank you for the replies, some good suggestions

When she was in Spain earlier and went Ptarmigan hunting she used a ladies Syren, which now make a shotgun, specifically for women, as that one was. She liked it and so I am also considering that one also. Do any of you have one for a lady in your family ?

Gil, I agree those Benelli's are nice and I definitely like the 28 gauge, but if I went with getting her a 28 gauge something, I would probably get her two. A 28 and 12, as she enjoyed Geese and Crane hunting. One of the reasons I like the double is it eliminates bending over to pick up the hulls or even needing to look for them---thank you

 

[mjcmichigan]

Syrens are really the ladies brand of Caesar Guerinis. My daughter in law loves my CG. I think she’d love it more if it fit her better. I’d recommend that one.

That said, Gil said what came to mind for me first, Benelli Ethos. I have the performance shop super sport (carbon fiber silver mesh. At 5# or 6#, you’re not going to find a faster swinging easy to carry all day gun.

Looking for a sr. Grandkid? Lol.


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[mjcmichigan]

One more thing April, I bought my boys a pair of Beretta DU dinner guns. The 2011 guns. They both love those guns and take great care of them. They love to see the nice walnut glisten in the sun.


That’s one of those distinctive guns. It’s not just a beretta, but a Ducks Unlimited Dinner gun, I think one is number 158 and the other is like 230. Here’s one that sold recently. I paid about 1000 each.
https://mobile.gunauction.com/displayit ... m=14651417



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[6mm Remington]

April for Christmas I got a CZ Woodcock .12 gauge over/under shotgun. It has beautiful wood and I really like how it shoots. So fat I've used it shoot ducks, pheasants, and quail. It handles nice and carries very nice. For her I think I would suggest a 20 gauge.

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Take a look at this picture. I love the stock style, look, and feel. I also enjoy the case color hardening as it adds something as well.

 

[Anonymous]

I think with all the species listed- cranes all the way down to quail and chukars- you're really talking two shotguns. You could make a twelve do it all, but you're lugging too much gun for much of it. At 5'11, she's likely going to fit any shotgun on the market, although a custom fit one is very , very nice to have.

For the upland stuff- that Syren sounds nice in a 20 or a 28ga or a Benelli Ultralight in the same gauge if she prefers an auto.

For the marsh- head straight to a Benelli autoloader in 12ga. My buddy hunts ducks with an O/U and curses skyward at fleeing ducks with an empty gun pretty much three or four times an outing.

I'm babysitting a couple of shotguns for another buddy- a gorgeous UL28 and a Super Black Eagle 3. I could do anything with those two I would ever do with a shotgun!

 

[cloverleaf]

I know next to nothing about shotguns....but the advice of a good friend who shot trap competitively for years and has taught more people to shoot than anyone I know...advises a properly sized 12 ga for young shooters. His advice is that the little bit of additional weight and options in 12 ga when coupled with lighter loads for practice are well worth it. Lighter 20's or worse a 410 generate sharper recoil that make it hard for a shooter to develop or maintain good form and habbits. In his opinion anyway.

But...you are better qualified to judge than I and obviously know your granddaughter well. It just seems like sound wisdom to me. I have poor balance and must shoot sitting, so way back when my father opted for a Win. gas auto in 20 Ga. for my 16th birthday. I still cant hit squat with a shot gun,,,, Many hours of fun with it and Dad and Grandpa though. Wish the same for you! CL

 

[Blkram]

A 12 ga and a 28 ga would definitely cover all of her needs.

Your liking of the O/U for its ejectors and catching of the hulls has merit. But might not be as big a deal in a duck blind. Hunting geese in the fields may be a different thing when it comes to cleaning up afterwards, but is just part of the whole experience.

Has she used O/U's? Or other shotguns such as pumps and semi-autos? Which does she prefer? And for what birds?

Susan is 5' 9 1/2" tall and really likes the Remington 1100 Sporting 28 that we have. She is "having a blast!" hunting grouse with it so far, and it fits her well. The wood on this Remington is very nice, and sure does glisten in the sun. She is now thinking that we both need our own 28's and that the Remington should be hers! LOL (This after she said we didn't need two and sold her Remington 870 Express in 28 to DrMike, unfired. I think it waas her ploy to get the prettier gun! LOL)

 

[Europe]

Mark, that is a very nice shotgun--your boys are very fortunate --those are sweet shotguns

David, congratulations, that is also a nice shotgun. The picture is very nice as I am sure, is the shotgun.

Cloverleaf--thank you sir

Hodgeman and Gil--nailed it I believe. ( get a semi auto 12 and a 20 gauge double ) After talking to several people today including you gentlemen and my granddaughter, her mother, my son, etc---I think, not sure yet, but I think I am going to buy her two ( which is what Mike and Gil suggested in there post ) A Syren XLRS Waterfowler ( they are 12 gauges) and a Syren Tempio light (20 gauge) The 20 gauge is what she used when in Spain and she told me "grandma this is the first shotgun I like better than your Connecticut )

I am still toying with whether to go 20 or 28 gauge, the weight of the shotgun is the same and she can handle the recoil of the 12, plus 20 gauge shell's should be easier to find when she travels--. am I wrong, is the 28 just as popular as the 20 these days ?

Thanks guys. Gil, you might be right about Dr Mike lol---and Susan lol

 

[Anonymous]

I am still toying with whether to go 20 or 28 gauge, the weight of the shotgun is the same and she can handle the recoil of the 12, plus 20 gauge shell's should be easier to find when she travels--. am I wrong, is the 28 just as popular as the 20 these days ?

The 28 kind of comes and goes in popularity- currently in vogue. It has a lot of panache and is a dream to shoot at grouse.

But-If she's going to travel with it, a 20ga makes a lot more sense- easy to find shells for and there's a bunch of options for feeding it. Even in well stocked gun shops, the 28ga can be mighty slim pickings.

Edit- I did see that Syren has a two barrel set...one frame and both a 20 and a 28 barrel set! Perfect!

 

[Europe]

Mike, I had actually placed an order for a Syren for her after she was here and hunted with one and then put a hold on the order, as I felt I reacted to quickly to her reaction to using one when she was here ( In Spain ). She loved that shotgun which was the 20 gauge double. But then I started thinking how much she likes to hunt waterfowl and after more thought and my discussions like we are doing here, I am leaning toward the two I mentioned in my post above, a 12 gauge semi auto and a 20 gauge double.

But Mike and Gil suggesting Bennelli and their semi auto operating system, which may not be as forgiving recoil wise but it is certainly an easier system to keep clean and probably lasts longer without much maintenance ----has me thinking --maybe I will go ahead with the order ( which is on hold ) for the Syren double and look at the Benelli auto for her.

Mike, nice try but no cigar, did you see the price of the 20/28 two barrel gun. I can get the auto and the double for that price.

Guys a little information and some of you ( like Dr Mike ) already knows all this. I m over 80 in failing health, thanks to my husbands foresight when he was alive I am not wondering where my next meal is coming from. I have a son and a daughter and they both hunt, and my grandsons also hunt but it is not a passion with them. Just like only this granddaughter wanted to sail with me---we got close over the years. So all of you have shotguns that are as expensive as the Syren and it may sound eccentric to get two of them, but I can't take it with me and if you add up the cost of all your shotguns it will add up to more than the cost of these two. So she has two expensive ones instead of 6 to 8 that is a tad less expensive, maybe! --many here will have more tied up in shotguns than she will, Why did I feel I needed to say all this--you guessed it, we have a coupe of fellows here that felt they had the right to tell me how to spend my money--they dont. But out of courtesy to those who are seriously trying help, ( and I thank you ) I wanted to explain a bit.

 

[DrMike]

April,

I intend to so live that when I die, my last cheque will bounce! :mrgreen: That means spending it all.

 

[Europe]

April,

I intend to so live that when I die, my last cheque will bounce! :mrgreen: That means spending it all.

Excellent philosophy Dr Mike lol love it!

Has anyone here used the Franchi's Affinity Catalyst ( semi auto designed for females ) ?

Does anyone one here want to comment on Inertia vs gas in the semi's ?

Assuming anyone can log on to the forum --

 

[noslerpartition]

April, I still haven't dropped the idea of being adopted!
At 5'11 she should be more than able to.handle a 12 gauge auto.loader for hunting all day.

Might be too much gun for some occasions, but with the right shell it will do ok.

If you have money to spare, a 20 gauge would pair perfectly.

I use 12 gauge for all shotgun hunting and just change shells depending on prey.


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[mjcmichigan]

April, we love your passion for your grandkids, and we are very appreciative they were raised right. I have to thank my wife for my CG. I was about to pick up a used Browning OU and she asked me if this was a journey or destination gun...at that point I had the blessing I needed to buy the CG vs Browning. She definitely knows the boys love their DU guns. I wish more DU guys would use their dinner guns. To me guns are tools, not decorations.

Interia vs gas, I can’t feel any appreciable difference. Cleaning the Benelli is a dream. The gas ones (beretta) get dirty and are messy to clean. I probably had to help the boys the first 4 times in reassembly mainly to get the gas port right. I’d buy the Benelli every day given a choice.

That said, I know many happy gas gun owners including both my boys, neither has asked for a second shotgun after getting the nice DU guns.

I should mention what sold me on the Benelli the first time. The Comfort Tech Pad is contoured to the appropriate shoulder. I could shoulder it from waist high to full mount with eyes closed. Once it was up, I’d open my eyes and wham. 25 for 25!it was perfectly aligned with my dominant eye. A standard shoulder pad doesn’t find its home as consistently with eyes closed.

That said, who closes their eyes while shouldering the gun. No one. But if your on a bird on wing, the last thing you want to think about is getting the gun up. It has to be automatic.

So truth telling, while I’d buy a Benelli everyday, it would always have a comfort tech pad.

Anyone else as nutty as me?


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[Blkram]

All of the reviews and atricles that I have read on the Benelli Ethos (12 ga and 28 ga over the past year have been very good, and all stated that it was a very clean operating system and required very little cleaning, even after a lot of shooting. (As someone who would rather be shooting than cleaning, this is an appealling benefit of the inertia vs gas.)