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Was wondering about this cartridge... does it hit harder than the .270? I see the numbers but in the feild can you really see a difference?
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Good question.
The 280 Rem is a great round that is truly under rated. Factory loads are loaded to lower pressures (SAAMI) because it was offered by Remington in their M740 back in the 1950's.
The 270 Win was loaded to higher pressures and out performed the 280 Rem.
Load the 280 Rem to the same pressures as the 270 and you will unleash the beast.
The 7mm bullet offerings are much better than .277.
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The 280 Rem is a great round that is truly under rated. Factory loads are loaded to lower pressures (SAAMI) because it was offered by Remington in their M740 back in the 1950's.
The 270 Win was loaded to higher pressures and out performed the 280 Rem.
Load the 280 Rem to the same pressures as the 270 and you will unleash the beast.
The 7mm bullet offerings are much better than .277.
JD338
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The .280 and .270 are so similar that they are virtually ballistic twins. The big advantage of the .280 is bullet selection. The weakness is that is less popular and has a lower SAAMI pressure standard. Loaded to the same pressure as the .270, it is a great cartridge. I'll not be without a .280 in my arsenal.
I just don't understand the 280. Fine cartridge, but between the 30-06 and the 270 win, where is the advantage? If it's bullet selection, yeah great. But the 30-06 will be better. And the 270 or 30-06 will be easier to find factory ammo in a pinch. I have a 270 myself, but I'm kind of a one-load kind of guy for my hunting rifles. I choose the 140 grn AccuBond, and you can't tell me a 140 grn 280 load is going to be better (280 AI being the exception of course).
Not nocking the 280, just never understand why folks choose it. Unless you're a 'one of each' kind of guy, then I can understand that! :lol:
Not nocking the 280, just never understand why folks choose it. Unless you're a 'one of each' kind of guy, then I can understand that! :lol:
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It may not be better than the .270 by a whole lot, but it IS a bit more capable than the .270 IMO. It can be handloaded with a 175-grain bullet and that stretches its versatility somewhat. I think it's one of the very best of the offspring of the .30-06.
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PGJPJ, it may appear that I was replying to your post, but I was actually typing my last one as you were posting yours. I'll point this out: all else being equal, the .280 will push the 140-grain bullet out the muzzle faster than the .270 will. It can do anything the .270 does and then some, only a little better. Whether or not there's a gap between the .270 and .30-06 that needs to be filled is another question, though. Personally, I am a huge fan of the .30-06 and its offspring and I load and shoot three of them. Between my .280 and .35 Whelen I am equipped for anything I want to do in the Lower 48 (and maybe Alaska too). I don't feel like I need a .30-06, but I'd like to have one anyway *just because.*
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Its the one of the best long range rounds out there thats not a magnum of some sort...even more so if its an AI...I describe the 280 as "well rounded" or "versatile"...even more so than the venerable 30-06.
Great ballistics, good barrel life...with the right bullets, it has the juice to take even elk out around 800 yards...stays supersonic well past 1,300 yards...usually very accurate too.
A respectable read on the 280 AI... http://www.shootingtimes.com/2011/03/17 ... ey_031511/
Its not so much that the 280 is "special"...it just hit a sweet spot (case capacity, bullet weight, ballistic coefficient)...7mm (and 6.5mm) bullets do things others just cannot do within proper weight limits.
Great ballistics, good barrel life...with the right bullets, it has the juice to take even elk out around 800 yards...stays supersonic well past 1,300 yards...usually very accurate too.
A respectable read on the 280 AI... http://www.shootingtimes.com/2011/03/17 ... ey_031511/
Its not so much that the 280 is "special"...it just hit a sweet spot (case capacity, bullet weight, ballistic coefficient)...7mm (and 6.5mm) bullets do things others just cannot do within proper weight limits.
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oneshot I sure like the .280 Remington and desperately need to replace the one I sold. It's a great cartridge, simple to load for, and very accurate.
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The .280 Remington has been my favorite for 15 years. I have many rifles set up for big game hunting. The .280 gets to go hunting every year for something. My current .280 is a Weatherby ultra light with a swarovski scope. Light and accurate. Brian
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To the extent that a .284 175 PT punches a bigger hole than a .277 160 PT, yes it does hit harder. Will you see it in the field? I doubt it. I say this having never taken a head of game in my life with the .280 (though I hope to correct that this winter). I have, however, taken a few freezers worth of deer with the .270, and I can't imagine the .280 killing them any deader.
Nevertheless, I understand your .280 curiosity. The only way I've found to quell it is to buy one...
The .280 really shines with 160 gr. bullets, especially loaded in a modern bolt action or mauser that can handle the pressures this round can be loaded to as eluded to above.
With a high BC 160 gr, long range ballistics will pass up the .270 with 140 grain bullets at about 200 yards. It's flatter from there on out. Hits with more energy all the way.
You add a bit of versatility with the ability to use 175 gr bullets but the round doesn't utilize this weight as efficiently as a 30-06 at closer range but will exceed ballistics on the 30-06 180 gr at longer range as the higher SD and BC of the 7mm slug begin to take effect.
The .270 is a fine round for deer and antelope but perhaps a bit light for heavier game at longer ranges. The .280 fills this gap with less recoil than an ought six. A fine round all around, I will never be without one. Being a handloader I would choose this round hands down over a .270. If I had to rely on mass produced ammo I'd grab a .270 or 30-06 first.
With a high BC 160 gr, long range ballistics will pass up the .270 with 140 grain bullets at about 200 yards. It's flatter from there on out. Hits with more energy all the way.
You add a bit of versatility with the ability to use 175 gr bullets but the round doesn't utilize this weight as efficiently as a 30-06 at closer range but will exceed ballistics on the 30-06 180 gr at longer range as the higher SD and BC of the 7mm slug begin to take effect.
The .270 is a fine round for deer and antelope but perhaps a bit light for heavier game at longer ranges. The .280 fills this gap with less recoil than an ought six. A fine round all around, I will never be without one. Being a handloader I would choose this round hands down over a .270. If I had to rely on mass produced ammo I'd grab a .270 or 30-06 first.
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I've never owned a .270 Winchester, and it is quite likely that I never will. I have, however, owned three .280 Remingtons. Again, as far as ability to kill is concerned, they will each do the job for you. For me, the attraction of the .280 is that it isn't so common that it is found in every gun store. Also, it uses a bullet that allows a wide range of weights and thus, a wide range of applications. It is just a great cartridge.
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didn't know that so many bullet weights were needed to kill different animals.. I can see long range needing a heavy bullet to maintain Vel/energy.
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With the 160 grain bullet, the 280 Remingtom can be made to exceed slightly 3000 fps. This is a major performing load for this cartridge and the pressures are moderate and in the range of the .270. THe performance of this 160 gr load puts the 280 into a class of its own regarding .30-06 derived cases. Part of this is added capacity created by moving the .280 shoulder forward .050 inches which creates additonal powder capacity.
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Ok Polaris has me with the bait.... :wink:
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oneshot,
The 160 gr PT works very well out of the 280 Rem. It is a deep penetrating bullet and accurate.
I had a 280 Rem that would go .400" with 54.0 grs IMR 4831. That load will put down a bull elk through the shoulders.
JD338
The 160 gr PT works very well out of the 280 Rem. It is a deep penetrating bullet and accurate.
I had a 280 Rem that would go .400" with 54.0 grs IMR 4831. That load will put down a bull elk through the shoulders.
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Handloading you can get the 175 gr bullet up over 2800 fps. Only 150 fps behind the 7mm Rem Mag. Where the .280 case shines is with 160 gr bullets because of powder capacity limitations, the Magnums will push the 175 more efficiently. THe .280 is very close to the velocity of the Mag with 160 gr bullets.
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Polaris":19oft1wh said:
Sounds like less drag allows it too exceed the 180.. in the 06'
Polaris have you cronied this bullet at extended ranges or you go by the charts in your manuals?
Ridgerunner665
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I'm gonna share this here, since we're bad mouthing the 270....LOL.
The one and only thing I don't like about the 270...its ugly...that long 30-03 case neck just doesn't look right to me, never has.
Its a fine round...it just don't look right!
That right there is the sole reason I bought a 25-06 way back in the 80's...even though ammo was hard to find, at least it looked right, LOL.
The one and only thing I don't like about the 270...its ugly...that long 30-03 case neck just doesn't look right to me, never has.
Its a fine round...it just don't look right!
That right there is the sole reason I bought a 25-06 way back in the 80's...even though ammo was hard to find, at least it looked right, LOL.
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