the .280 Remington

[Wincheringen]

Oneshot, some people don't like vanilla ice cream.

Hopefully that makes it a little more clear for you.

 

[PGJPJ]

Ya, if I was a "one rifle" kind of guy (god forbid), I'd still choose the 30-06. But for me, my 1-2 punch is a 270 win, and a 300 win mag.

But this is a dead horse. it's really splitting hairs, our time would be better spent in the field scouting or hunting then worrying about the little stuff. :mrgreen:

 

[nvbroncrider]

.270 and .280 are both excellant. You cant go wrong with either one. I think the .270 is too common and kind of like vanilla ice cream. I like things a little differant and like to load my own ammo. 160 pt loaded to 270 pressure levels is called a 7mm mag in my book. It has dropped 3 elk, couple deer, lots of Antelope and a Bighorn sheep for me. I love my 280. Brian

I think the .270 is too common and kind of like vanilla ice cream

so you get board with this caliber aye?

How much better does a .280 drop an Elk verses a .270?

It will do the job clean and efficently. It you hit an elephant with a 7 Mauser in the right spot it will kill him Bell did this how many times? A 6 Rem will do it just hit him in the right spot. In the Nosler #3 manual a gentleman used a 243 as his primary elk rifle killed over 100 head. He never took a questionable shot kept them close and never had travel more than 50 yards.

 

[AzDak42]

Was wondering about this cartridge... does it hit harder than the .270? I see the numbers but in the feild can you really see a difference?

I'm confused.

I went back to the first post where you came here looking for information on the .280. Lots of folks shared what they thought, posted up why they have chosen one over the other and even shared a lot of first hand field experience. Agree, disagree, the fine folks of this forum shared did their best to attempt to answer your question.

Was this just a troll attempt? Are you trying to stir up a debate/argument on something that really does come down to personal preference? Lots of folks like the .280, others like the .270. Both have their merits and what is best for you, may not be best for someone else. Maybe they put more value in other aspects like bullet selection or SD. Maybe you like ready availability.

Be glad you live in a place that offers you a lot of choices. Last I checked, nobody was forcing you to buy a .280. Nobody was trying to get you to do anything.

You asked, folks answered. Why is this thread still dragging on?

 

[Polaris]

Was wondering about this cartridge... does it hit harder than the .270? I see the numbers but in the feild can you really see a difference?

I'm confused.

I went back to the first post where you came here looking for information on the .280. Lots of folks shared what they thought, posted up why they have chosen one over the other and even shared a lot of first hand field experience. Agree, disagree, the fine folks of this forum shared did their best to attempt to answer your question.

Was this just a troll attempt? Are you trying to stir up a debate/argument on something that really does come down to personal preference? Lots of folks like the .280, others like the .270. Both have their merits and what is best for you, may not be best for someone else. Maybe they put more value in other aspects like bullet selection or SD. Maybe you like ready availability.

Be glad you live in a place that offers you a lot of choices. Last I checked, nobody was forcing you to buy a .280. Nobody was trying to get you to do anything.

You asked, folks answered. Why is this thread still dragging on?

Than you.

I think the only reason this thread is still dragging on is because we're all exited to go hunt something and having a bit of a spirited discussion on an arcane topic is the closest we can get until opening day.

My .280, nicknamed THE DEATH RAY is zeroed, Probably going to fire a few more practice rounds offhand in the backyard. All my clothes are packed, gonna go scout and place blinds this weekend. In the meantime I'll release some pent up hunting talk beating a dead horse. This is fun for me and oneshot.

Nobody claims the .280 is a lot better, just a little bit for specific applications. Where I hunt I could use my savage 99 .300 with a 150gr Rem factory load and never need anything else. If I hunted deer to 400 yards or elk, I'll take that extra 20 grains of lead that will hit as fast as the .270 140gr AB.

Apparently we're all right so I have to go to work.

 

[Anonymous]

Was wondering about this cartridge... does it hit harder than the .270? I see the numbers but in the feild can you really see a difference?

I'm confused.

I went back to the first post where you came here looking for information on the .280. Lots of folks shared what they thought, posted up why they have chosen one over the other and even shared a lot of first hand field experience. Agree, disagree, the fine folks of this forum shared did their best to attempt to answer your question.

Was this just a troll attempt? Are you trying to stir up a debate/argument on something that really does come down to personal preference? Lots of folks like the .280, others like the .270. Both have their merits and what is best for you, may not be best for someone else. Maybe they put more value in other aspects like bullet selection or SD. Maybe you like ready availability.

Be glad you live in a place that offers you a lot of choices. Last I checked, nobody was forcing you to buy a .280. Nobody was trying to get you to do anything.

You asked, folks answered. Why is this thread still dragging on?

Just to prove that you like to feed crap to people and it's not really what you say it is.
Dr. Mike seems like the only honest person here besides a couple others.

If you get board go help a old lady accross the street.

 

[Anonymous]

Ya, if I was a "one rifle" kind of guy (god forbid), I'd still choose the 30-06. But for me, my 1-2 punch is a 270 win, and a 300 win mag.

But this is a dead horse. it's really splitting hairs, our time would be better spent in the field scouting or hunting then worrying about the little stuff. :mrgreen:

if I was a "one rifle" kind of guy (god forbid),

This really amazes me. The only thing about using a different rifle or caliber is....NOTHING

You'd be surprised what God forbids.

splitting hairs

I'll go along with that.

 

[AzDak42]

Just to prove that you like to feed crap to people and it's not really what you say it is.
Dr. Mike seems like the only honest person here besides a couple others.

If you get board go help a old lady accross the street.

Of whom are you speaking? Did I somehow miss a thread where someone was castigating the .270 in favor of the .280?

I think you might want to invest some time in reading more posts here before you create an argument with folks that are looking for none. Folks did you the courtesy of replying to what people thought was an honest question, providing a wealth of information, the one redeeming quality of this thread.

Now, here's hoping that since you've admitted your whole purpose of your question was to be a troll, the moderators treat it accordingly.

PS - I saw Sportsman's Warehouse had a Nosler in .280 AI on the shelf last time I was through. Even though I own a 7mm RM.. I think I'll stop in a take a look. Seems like a very interesting caliber... Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

 

[Oldtrader3]

You are jumping into the pool with a lot of folks who have been there and have the tee shirt. Coming to this forum and trying to create confusion and discord will soon lead you onto deep water and will get you nowhere. except discredited.

Besides which, I personally have killed probably 60 deer with the .270, 130 gr Partition and probably 10 deer with the 140 grain Partition, .280 Rem and having the same sectional desnsity and all there is .007 diameter but not a dime's worth of difference between them. It is aurguing about how many nymphes can dance on the head of a pin.

 

[Anonymous]

Good question.

The 280 Rem is a great round that is truly under rated. Factory loads are loaded to lower pressures (SAAMI) because it was offered by Remington in their M740 back in the 1950's.
The 270 Win was loaded to higher pressures and out performed the 280 Rem.

Load the 280 Rem to the same pressures as the 270 and you will unleash the beast.
The 7mm bullet offerings are much better than .277.

JD338

Here's one.... Azdak

 

[Anonymous]

Yes, Yes. I know guys love the 280. Who knows, when it comes time to re barrel my beloved 270, maybe I will choose the 280.

I know on paper it has some slight advantages. But in the real world of big game hunting I just can't say I buy it. Just not between a 140 grn 270 or a 165 grn 30-06. But I'm listening, and trying to figure out where the love comes from. :lol:

Here's another....

 

[Anonymous]

An intersting historical sidenote visa vie the .30-06 class of cartridges... At the onset of WWI the british nearly adopted a 7mm service round similar to the .280 rem in the P14 "Enfield" rifle but settled on keeping the old .303 brit rather than convert to a new round during wartime.

The M1 Garand was originally slated for a .276 cartridge but with warclouds once again gathering in Europe the decision was made to stick with 30-06.

I agree that there is not much the 280 will do on whitetail sized game the .270 won't do and not much it will do on heavier game the 30-06 won't do, but I still say neither will do BOTH better. I think if Jack O'Conner had a 280 at his disposal, folks would wax poetic about that round. If I remember correctly from old articles I read, he was fond of the 7X57 mauser round also but Winchester probably payed better.

Maybe I am just a maverick. The only gas station caliber I own is my M1 Garand in 30-06 and my wife's .308 win Savage Left Hand (If only we could have afforded a Tikka 6.5X55 at the time...).

I think if Jack O'Conner had a 280 at his disposal, folks would wax poetic about that round.

because it's the ballistic twin of the .270 Dr.mike...

 

[Anonymous]

you call one bullet weight a major advantage....? :shock: :roll:

Remington didn't have a cartridge.. Winchester did.... hence .280 was born....

Don't forget the wildcatters came up with it first.

Comparing the .277" 160-grain bullet to the 7mm 175-grain bullet...maybe it's all subjective, but a bullet that's heavier by 11% is just that.

Can you really tell the difference in the field between a .300 Win Mag and a .300 Weatherby? Can the game tell the difference? Which is the better cartridge, and why? I suggest that the Weatherby is more cartridge than the Win Mag and has more to offer. The .280 is ahead of the .270 on the same grounds.

and another.... I'll keep looking.

 

[Anonymous]

Me too. For elk, a .338 or .340 is my chioice.

Or a 338 RUM. :mrgreen:

When I went on my elk hunt, my primary rifle was my 338 RUM. My back up rifle was a 280 Rem loaded up with the 160 gr PT.

JD338

This makes ABSOLUTELY no sense what so ever. Hey JD, why wouldn't you bring another mag like your .338 win mag? Oh I know you couldn't find it in your toy box. It got tangled in with the other toys, right? LOL :lol:

If you guys are so emphatic about needing a magnum to drop Elk or whatever, why in the HE#@ would you make such a statement like this? Oh I'm sorry, you like to see the critter drop with authority.... it isn't enough to just drop it normally? I'm trying to see the logic here? Like the logic of Fotis dropping an Antelope with a 416 Rigby just because his adolesent son wanted him to. I hope I didn't go too far as to be banned with making trouble.

I just get tired of talking to guys at my club, on the forums trying to convince me that what I have won't do the job. It gets kinda lonely ya know?

 

[JD338]

Me too. For elk, a .338 or .340 is my chioice.

Or a 338 RUM. :mrgreen:

When I went on my elk hunt, my primary rifle was my 338 RUM. My back up rifle was a 280 Rem loaded up with the 160 gr PT.

JD338

This makes ABSOLUTELY no sense what so ever. Hey JD, why wouldn't you bring another mag like your .338 win mag? Oh I know you couldn't find it in your toy box. It got tangled in with the other toys, right? LOL :lol:

oneshot,

Where are you going with this?
Not that I have to explain this but I didn't have a 338 Win Mag in the "toy box".

JD338

 

[Anonymous]

I just get mixed feedback about what has to be used verses what gets the job done that's all.

Especially from gunwriters.

 

[AzDak42]

Good question.

The 280 Rem is a great round that is truly under rated. Factory loads are loaded to lower pressures (SAAMI) because it was offered by Remington in their M740 back in the 1950's.
The 270 Win was loaded to higher pressures and out performed the 280 Rem.

Load the 280 Rem to the same pressures as the 270 and you will unleash the beast.
The 7mm bullet offerings are much better than .277.

JD338

Here's one.... Azdak

You sir are fighting a fight that isn't there.

JD338's post is absolutely factually correct. Here's a link the the SAAMI spec, you'll see it's well below the 270. (http://www.saami.org/specifications_and ... ad/206.pdf) As a handloader, you know, the folks on this reloading forum hosted by a reloading component manufacturer are not constrained by the limits of factory ammo. (For a similar discussion, see the load options you have with 45-70, depending on what action it's destine for. Hornady for example lists 3 different types of 45-70 loads based on what action you're using them in...)

As to bullet selection, let's do a quick check of his accuracy.

MidwayUSA lists 106 options in 7mm/.284
MidwayUSA lists 87 in .277

Hey what do you know, there are more 7mm options out there...

This isn't surprising, as there is a greater number of cartridges that use 7mm vs .270. There is a larger spectrum of bullet weights and a greater emphasis on match/target bullets, an area that the .270 hasn't staked a lot of claim.

Again, his information is factually correct. (Although for all practical hunting purposes, you have all the options you really need minus a selection of heavy weights in the 175 range)

And more importantly, he's providing information, YOU ASKED FOR, when you first posted.

 

[FOTIS]

The best thing about the .280? It's NOT a .270! (Ducking for cover now.)

You better! :mrgreen:

 

[FOTIS]

JD,
only problem is it can't beat the .270 otherwise I would.

You initially ask the question about the 280.
You get 7 pages of responses on why or why not, yet you're "arguing" with the people that are trying to help you?
Tell you what.....

OK get a 270 and be done with it. Thread closed.

PS it was a 416 WBY not a Rigby. :wink: