The Health Care Bill

owenv

Beginner
Jun 24, 2007
192
1
Found this interesting if not terrifying post on another forum.


So, what's all the babble about? 99% of the news I listen to is Fox. The other 1% is from our local paper and tv station web sites. Over the last few days, the left and the left leaning want to blame Fox and to some extent the Republicans, for all the misinformation and the "mobs" that show up at town hall meetings. Rarely have you seen me serious on this board, but I'm in my serious mode now.

Well guess what? A friend of mine sent me an email containing information about a lot of what the "mobs" are angry about. So I said "self, better check this out." And I did. I got a pdf copy of the bill, all 1,018 pages of it and checked each and every item he listed. And you know what, each and every item that's listed is in the bill. Those items are listed below. If you'd like to check them yourselves you can either PM me and I'll send the pdf copy to you or you can go to this web site, download it and check it.

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

This may be more than you want to read but I think it's necessary that we stay informed on what the Obama gang wants to do with this. This is something that must defeated no matter what your political affiliations are. The folks that are for it have not read and they don't understand what Big Brother is planning. This is George Orwell's predication on steroids. There are some very disturbing items listed here, some of which don't have anything to do with health care. Some things he wants to turn over to "community based organizations" like ARCON and such to provide "care." He also wants to levey "surcharges" on employers, restrict and penalize hospitals and you for "readmissions." This list goes on and on.

Page 22: The federal government will be empowered to audit the books of any corporation that self-insures.

Page 29, Lines 4-16: All health care will be rationed based on age, the present health of any patient and the availability of health services and supplies.

Page 30, Sections 1-3: A government committee will decide what treatments or benefits will be made available under the health care that will be provided. It will be illegal to provide any medical benefits to anyone that haven't been pre-approved by the committee.

Page 42: A Health Choices Commissioner will be appointed by the President and will choose what health services will be provided to each patient.

Page 50, Section 152: Health care will be provided to all Non-U.S. citizens within the borders of the United States , illegal or otherwise.

Page 58: The Health Choices Commissioner's Office will have real time access to every medical patient's financial records and all citizens will be issued and be required to have on their person at all times a National ID Health card.

Page 59: (Continuation of Page 58) The Government will have direct access to all bank accounts and electronic transfer accounts of patients.

Page 65, Section 164: Subsidization for retirees of Unions and ACORN

Page 72, Lines 8-14: Brings all health care HMO and private insurance plans under government control.

Page 84: Section 203: All benefit packages for private health care plans will be under the control of the government.

Page 85, Line 7: The Health Choices Commissioner will specify what benefits will be allowable under private health care plans.

Page 95: Community Action Groups (ACORN and Americorps) will be authorized to sign up citizens for the Government Health Care Plan.

Page 102, Lines 12-18: All Medicaid eligible recipients will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. They will have no choice.

Page 124, Lines 24-25: All government suppliers and contractors are exempt from price fixing lawsuits. "Judicial Review" is prohibited.

Page 126, Lines 22-25: Employers must pay for the health care for any part-time employees AND their families.

Page 127, Lines 1-16: The government will set salaries for all doctors.

Page 145, Lines 15-17: An employer will be required to automatically enroll all employees in the public option plan. The employee will not have any choice in the matter.

Page 149, Lines 16-24: Any employer with a payroll of $400,000 or more who does not provide a public option, will be required to pay the government 8% surtax on the payroll.

Page 150, Lines 9-13: Any employer with a payroll between $251,000 and $400,000 who doesn't provide a public option will be required to pay a 6% surtax on their payroll.

Page 179, Lines 1-3: Any non-resident Alien is EXEMPT from individual health care taxes.

Page 195: All officers and employees of the Health Care administration will have unlimited access to the financial and personal records of ALL American citizens without the necessity of a search warrant.

Page 203, Lines 14-15: (The following is a direct quote!) "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as a tax." (Presumably therefore it cannot be deducted on income tax returns)

Page 239, Lines 14-24: The government will reduce physician services for Medicaid, thereby rationing medical support for the poor.

Page 241, Lines 6-8: All doctors will be paid equally, with no regard to specialty of training required.

Page 253, Lines 10-18: The Health Care administration will decide the value of the time of physicians, professional judgment, etc.

Page 265 Section 1131: The Health Care administration will control and mandate productivity for private health care industries, nursing services, hospice, retirement centers, drug production, etc.

Page 268, Section 1141: The Health Care administration will regulate the rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

Page 272, Section 1145: The Health Care administration will determine what treatment will be provided at Cancer hospitals and will ration treatment based on type and the classification of a patient.

Page 280, Section 1151: The government will penalize hospitals if they exceed their quota of "preventable readmissions."

Page 298, Lines 9-11: If doctors treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission to the hospital, the government will penalize the patient.

Page 317-318, Lines 21-25: The government will be authorized to tell physicians what they can own and how much, and can audit their personal records without a warrant.

Page 317-318, Lines 21-25: Hospitals will not be permitted to expand their physical facilities.

Page 321, Lines 2-13: Hospitals wanting to expand may appeal for an exception to the expansion rule, but community approval is required through community action agencies (ie: ACORN)

Page 341, Lines 3-9: The government has the authority to disqualify Medicare supplemental plans, HMO, private insurance plans, etc., which will force all citizens into the government plan.

Page 354, Section 1177: The government will restrict enrollment of "Special Needs" patients (ie: Downs Syndrome, Speech Therapy, handicapped, etc.)

Page 379, Section 1191: The government will create a Telehealth Advisory Committee which will provide health advice by phone.

Page 425, Lines 4-12: An "Advance Planning Care Consultant." Think 'End of Life' for Senior Citizens.

Page 425, Lines 22-25: (Page 426: Lines 1-3): The Government will provide a list of end of life resources that will guide senior citizens to their death.

Page 427, Lines 15-24: The government will mandate orders for end of life actions. In brief, the government will decide how life ends.

Page 429, Lines 1-9: An "Advance Care Planning Consultant" will be used more frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.

Page 429, Lines 10-12: The "Advance Care Planning Consultant" will include the authority for "End of Life" plans, on an order from the government.

Page 429, Lines 13-25: The government will specify which doctors will have the authority to sign an "End of Life" Order.

Page 430, Lines 11-15: The government will decide what level of treatment patients will receive at the end of their lives.

Page 469: Medical services and nursing for home-based patients will be provided by "Community-based organizations." (ACORN, etc.)

Page 472, Lines 14-17: Such community based organizations will be paid by the government once each month based on the number of patients they serve. Such organizations will not be required to employ registered or practical nursing professionals.

Page 489, Section 1308: Marriages and divorces will not be authorized unless the couple subjects themselves to marriage and family therapy.

Page 494-498: All Mental Health Services will be provided by the government including defining, creating, and rationing those services.

I could go on and on about this bill. This thing must be defeated. It will not work for me and my family and it will not work for you either. If I can, I encourage each and every one who reads this to write your representative and senator and voice your concerns. You may even want to copy/paste this and add it into your letter.

John (aka 4S)
 
While I am vehemently against the idea of the government getting any further involved in healthcare (or any of numerous other areas of our lives) I have to point out that some of the concerns expressed in the post above are not correct. For instance, the information on page 29, lines 4-16, does not refer to rationing based on age or any such. It specifically refers to annual limitations, which in the private insurance world would be termed "annual out of pocket maximums." This section sets limits on the cost individuals would bear annually.

Believe me, there are plenty of reasons to be concerned about this bill, this administration, and the direction this country is headed in, but several of the listed concerns in this original post are not accurate in what they indicate the bill actually says.

Please understand, I'm against the bill, the idea of public healthcare, and the shirking of personal responsibility in favor of riding the backs of the producers. I just want to be sure the arguments we engage in are factual in nature. There are plenty of factual arguments against this bill.
 
dubyam":s6ammdga said:
the shirking of personal responsibility in favor of riding the backs of the producers.

Thats It. You NAILED it.
Pretty soon there will be no incentive to get off the couch and go to work.
Other countrys will joke and say... How do you starve an American ???? Hide his food stamps in his work boots.

I also don't understand how the government is allowed to BOUNCE checks to the tune of trillions of dollars. It's a crime in my state to bounce a check over 200.
 
Let me tell you as one who has lived under socialised medicine for 30 plus years that the US system of health care is far superior. My daughter is a surgeon in the States. Her stance is that she has no desire to go back to Great Britain or to Canada to practise medicine. The thought that the government can ration health care (yes they do) should terrify everyone who lives in the US.
 
I must say that my objections to nationalized health care really has nothing to do with how the bill is written when it's passed. I have been able to avoid HMO health care at an added expense to me and mine. I have a fundamental objection to putting someone else in charge of making decisions that should be left to me, mine and my DR. Much less trying to level any playing field.

My other stance is if we look at government run anything, they have a proven track record of not being able to perform and corruption and abuse take over in excess. If we just look at Medicare, Medicaid, US Post Office and Social Security I do not need to say more.

The government is not supposed to be running businesses and I have questioned for many years how even the States can get by being in competition with Dr.s, Dentist's. and many others.

After working in professional education and observing the problems brought on by greed, arrogance, and the change from patient care being #1, education #2, and everything else somewhere behind has been a major disappointment and has caused much stress and mistrust. Now money is the key and education and patient care are way down the list. I am sure there are people that will argue this point but most of them are also the same people that generate the statistics.

I guess I have said enough just hope people are talking to there children as they have not got allot of prior experience and have been media, and educationally brain washed.
 
The government is not supposed to be running businesses
,

+1

However, they are now in the business of manufacturing automobiles and running financial institutions. Things have changed in the states in a big hurry. My wife and I wonder if we will be able to go home!
 
Owenv,
just a quick thanks for posting this. I now have the data without the effort of collecting it!
Hardpan
 
Back
Top