Well....the king owns the forest....

[cloverleaf]

My plans for a hunt just went belly up.... been working on a deal to hunt a lease for antelope (where I hunted years ago at the grace of the owner) Bit the bullet and decided I would have to pay. Last week the guy who "owns the lease" not the land. Some corporate owns that now) said "make me an offer" so we did. $25 bucks a gun a day, for a do it yourself hunt. Meaning I furnish all the knowledge, labor lodging lunch etc basically just permission to be on the land. Spend a week playing phone tag, (being ignored) and when I finally get a hold of him tonight he says "I got your offer....what I need is $200 a man, whether you get a goat or not...." :evil:
Well the Appp deadline is tommorow or the 16th electronically, so some where else aint happening. Whole thing is gone to H#&& when you gotta pay some one to hunt on land he dont even own. Dont tell me about all the BLM land, public land etc. etc. Ive got the maps too, and you end up getting in an arguement with a guy who thinks he can lock up access to this or that piece of property. Its that way all over. Really disappointing part is trhat this is a place my Dad really wanted to hunt again and referred to this as his "last shot". Its socialist and It just SUCKS! CL

 

[Guy Miner]

Ouch! Easy to tell that you're upset.

I sure hope something comes together for you. It really is tough getting access to private land sometimes. Don't know that I'd call it "socialist" though - just capitalism, charging what the market will pay.

My son and I hunted a friend's property here in Washington for several years and took a few deer off it. Then he got an offer for pay-to-hunt from some Seattle area folks. Well heck, they're hunting the land in general season now, not us. That's okay, everybody is still friends. Luckily I've got a BUNCH of public land avail to me, the county is something like 85% public land. It was downright nice having access to the wheat farm land while John was younger. Made for an easier hunt to be sure.

Best of luck, I hope you can swing an alternative!

Guy

 

[YoteSmoker]

If you offered to pay $25 a day each, at 7 days, that's only $25 less than what he is demanding. How long is the season? I've never paid to hunt private and I bust my butt to hunt public. Private land to hunt in Colorado costs $3,000-$7,000 for a week's hunt and nothing is guaranteed. It is definitely not worth it to me; again I only hunt public land and it's not at all easy but I get what I pay for and sometimes get lucky.

 

[Elkman]

Cloverleaf
I understand your frustration, however I also support the right of those whom own private land to do with it as they see fit. They are the ones paying the taxes, paying for maintence, upkeep and all of the other issues associated with land ownership. I know that in Texas most "all" hunting is on private lands and having been there for a month this year I can tell you its highly regulated. I was even told by one owner that he made more money from leasing his hunting rights for "quail" than with his cows. Its a bum deal but there are 650,000,000 acres of federal and state lands in the US

 

[FOTIS]

Gotta love that!

:evil: :evil: :evil:

 

[JD338]

CL

Don't give up. Put in for your tag and try the buddy system for land access.
It still might be worth hunting BLM too.

JD338

 

[DrMike]

We haven't seen the trespass fess here in western Canada--yet. I suppose it is only a matter of time. There is so much crown land, that it is not necessary to hunt private land. That doesn't mean that there is no hunting on private land, just that it is not common. I do feel badly for you, but I can see how if someone has opportunity to turn a profit on access fees they would do so. Gratitude just doesn't cut it like cash.

 

[Guest]

I hate to hear that, CL, but it is the reality of current conditions. The deer lease I'm on went up 50% in cost last year because some guy tried to lease it out from under the club. No change this year, yet, so I think we'll be alright, but I feel your pain.

Of course, as has been said, $200 per man is not a big hike over what you're already offering (unless he means $200 per day, at which point he's nuts), so maybe paying a little more is worth the cost? You've hunted it before, so you know what the access is "worth," so to speak.

Good luck with the deal.

 

[lefty315]

Not sure where you are hunting but a buddy was having trouble securing a place to hunt a few years ago on private land for Antelope. That was until the landowners found out he also had some doe tags to fill. The owner told him he could hunt one buck for every two does he took off the land. Fortunately there were plenty of cheap doe tags available in that area. Not sure if that is an option on where you will be or not, but perhaps try some other properties with that offer if it is an option. Good luck.

 

[2shaky]

What's wrong is knowing where BLM land is, but not being able to get there because of being surrounded by private land with no access .

 

[257 Ackley]

What's wrong is knowing where BLM land is, but not being able to get there because of being surrounded by private land with no access .

This is the biggest problem I am seeing. The trespass fee to get across the 300 feet of privately owned land to get to BLM land sucks and isn't right. I would bypass SD and head straight for Wyoming for speed goats. I know that is a draw and won't help for this year, but they have much better goat hunting and ranchers that will work with you.
There was always the 5 quart pails on the cattle crossing gates to put your chit in so they could get $10 bucks back from the state and they got rid of a few of the goats that ate the grass they wanted for sheep and cattle.

 

[cloverleaf]

Guy- you are correct. My "socialist" crack was frustration. He is getting what the market will theoretically bear.
2shaky hit the nail on the head. The land with easy access is a war zone and home to little goats. We were willing to pay somthing for a little better odds and a little peace.
As to the ammount, three days (about what I can afford for loging out of state, food etc) at our offer is $150 for the two of us as opposed to $400.
I whole heartedly support a mans right to do what he wants with his own land. Thats not what we are talking about here. The "Guide" is simply the salesman who is selling his services if he guides you feeds you etc. He's getting used from both ends if you go that route-by me if he guides me and the corporate he pays the lease to. I'll give some rancher with 2 kids and a mortage on the land Im hunting on the $150 in a flash and it will buy him groceries or Xmas presents for his kids.

This is i suppose my own fault. If I'd gotten the plot map and cold called half the county I might have found what I was looking for. Doubt it though. CL

 

[C.Smith]

I still think it is frustrating though, I understand it is their land and that some guys ruin that for the rest of us (trespassers, junk the land etc.) but I see where hunting is going and it scares me that it seems to get harder and harder to hunt. I think I just need to change my hunting tactics, hmmm.

Corey

 

[sask boy]

I am sure hope that kind of stuff never comes to Saskatchewan. We have so much land available and We just take it for granted. I guess the land owner have their rights too.
I hunt down at the farm for whitetail and probably in a 200 square miles there would not be more than 25 no hunting signs.
If fact where we hunt normally for Elk most of the landowners just want you to ask for permission so that they know who is on the land.
The Elk herd are getting so large that we have gone to the farmer and asked for permission and they advised if you shoot one no, but if you shoot them all I will let you on the land. They are just kidding most of the time but the elk population does so much damage to the crops they want people to hunt :grin:
I am sorry for to hear about your situation

Blessings,
Dan

 

[SJB358]

I am sure hope that kind of stuff never comes to Saskatchewan. We have so much land available and We just take it for granted. I guess the land owner have their rights too.
I hunt down at the farm for whitetail and probably in a 200 square miles there would not be more than 25 no hunting signs.
If fact where we hunt normally for Elk most of the landowners just want you to ask for permission so that they know who is on the land.
The Elk herd are getting so large that we have gone to the farmer and asked for permission and they advised if you shoot one no, but if you shoot them all I will let you on the land. They are just kidding most of the time but the elk population does so much damage to the crops they want people to hunt :grin:
I am sorry for to hear about your situation

Blessings,
Dan

Dan, you have me convinced I am living in the wrong place! Gigantic whitetails, elk, bear and just about all the other good stuff I would like to hunt right in your provincial lines! Scotty

 

[DrMike]

Plus, walleye and pike, Scotty. Mind you, you do have to put up with the Rough Riders and wear a watermelon on your head throughout football season.

 

[FOTIS]

Plus, walleye and pike, Scotty. Mind you, you do have to put up with the Rough Riders and wear a watermelon on your head throughout football season.

And turn over all handguns at the immigration point? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[SJB358]

Plus, walleye and pike, Scotty. Mind you, you do have to put up with the Rough Riders and wear a watermelon on your head throughout football season.

And turn over all handguns at the immigration point? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Good point Fotis. I like my handguns, but I would probably leave them in the states to live in an area like BC for the chance to hunt moose, elk, caribou, grizzly, WT, Mule deer and a bunch of other species EVERY YEAR! Scotty

 

[C.Smith]

Plus, walleye and pike, Scotty. Mind you, you do have to put up with the Rough Riders and wear a watermelon on your head throughout football season.

I'm not sure I could that. I really like my handguns and the self protection they offer. Too many two legged predators out there. But that is my skewed view.

Corey

And turn over all handguns at the immigration point? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Good point Fotis. I like my handguns, but I would probably leave them in the states to live in an area like BC for the chance to hunt moose, elk, caribou, grizzly, WT, Mule deer and a bunch of other species EVERY YEAR! Scotty

 

[DrMike]

Nah, you can bring handguns in when immigrating. You just have to get them registered. Anathema, I know, but you can own them and use them.