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 Post subject: .30-06 & 220 gr Nosler Partition
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:09 pm 

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After much waiting, I finally got to the range to slam this Big Boy of a .30 cal hunting bullet into the infamous water-filled one gallon milk jugs. Was limited by my ammo supply, had only loaded five cartridges, because I only had five empty .30-06 cases! 52.5 grains of Ramshot Hunter, CCI 200 standard primers, WW cases, and of course the big 220 gr Nosler Partitions!

This is a big ol' heavyweight .30-06 cartridge - decidedly nose heavy when picked up:
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Test platform was my ancient M1917 .30-06 with the original barrel bobbed to 21", topped by a 6x Leupold. The rifle has earned it's keep and then some. These loads shot low and left compared to my standard 165 gr load. Interesting. Muzzle velocity is 2380 fps. Hardly blistering, but it's a middle of the road load from a short barrel. Recoil was mild. I didn't do any serious accuracy testing. I did line up 12 jugs at 25 yards, just in case...

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Immediate aftermath of the shot:
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The Nosler was recovered from the 7th jug. It had dented the off-side of that jug, almost, but not quite, making it into the 8th water jug. Recovered weight is 137 grains, and it measures .477" in diameter now.
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There was some speculation that it would penetrate even deeper, but I just didn't know. It looks, not surprisingly, like an expanded Nosler Partition.

To put the penetration in perspective, let's compare it with some other results we've posted, slamming bullets into the jugs:

.458" 350 gr Swift A-Frame @ 2040 fps = 7th jug
.458" 405 gr Remington SP @ 1330 fps = 8th jug

.375" 300 gr Nosler Accubond @ 2550 fps = 7th jug (Gerry)
.375" 300 gr Hornady BTSP @ 2521 fps = 6th jug
.375" 260 gr Nosler Accubond @ 2650 fps = 7th jug
.375" 235 gr Speer SP @ 2700 fps = 5th jug

.35 Whelen, 250 gr Partition @ 2450 fps = 7th jug (JD338)
.35, 250 gr Speer SP @ 2580 fps = 7th jug (Rovert)

.30, 200 gr Nosler Accubond @ 2800 fps = 6th jug
.30, 165 gr Nosler Partition @ 2750 fps = 5th jug

It all makes the penetration into the 7th (almost into the 8th) jug look pretty good. Re the retained weight - well heck - the Noslers do seem to shed a lot of weight from that front half. They've always been famous for that, and for the rear section continuing to penetrate. Looks like another good big game hunting bullet to me.

Dad used to always keep a box of 220 gr Winchester Silvertips around - just in case he wanted to go bear hunting again I suppose. This is the first time I've fired 220 grainers from the old .30-06 in a long time. They appear to go together quite well. I'd hunt with the 220 gr Partition!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:16 pm 
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That looks great Guy, this bullet ranks with some of the best as you pointed out. Thanks for posting.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:23 pm 

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Very impressive results, Guy. It makes me want to take a more in depth view of that particular bullet in both by 30-06 and my 300 WSM.

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Great test for a great bullet!..Thanks for sharing..

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Guy that is a thumper. I'm going to have to try my boys 90 gr. E-tip 6mm and my 165 gr. Accubond out of my 30-06 at 25 yards. All my testing was at 100 and 300. Now you have me wanting more! :grin:

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Guy,

Excellent! I was thinking 8 jugs and it was darn close to that. I agree with you, the 308 cal 220 gr PT is a serious big game bullet.
It will be interesting to see Brian's results with his 300 RUM.

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Those are some great results Guy. Pretty impressive and I can see why Mr. Shoemaker likes them so much on big heavy boned game. I am with Mike, might have to load some of them up in the 300WSM and see what they do. They are certainly up there in the penetration department. Great test.

What do you think a normal speed would be for them out of a 22-24" barrel? 2500-2600?

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QL projects that with a max charge of RL22, I can generate 2775 fps and 3762 ft-lbs of energy. I believe it would work very well for moose, or grizzly, or elk, or mule deer, or ...

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QL projects that with a max charge of RL22, I can generate 2775 fps and 3762 ft-lbs of energy. I believe it would work very well for moose, or grizzly, or elk, or mule deer, or ...


That is alot of steam right there. I think it might be worth messing around with some of them. might need to order a few boxes before they go away... Anything around 2750 would be pretty awesome for them, while still giving some excellent ballistics for regular hunting. Heck, it really matches most of the 30-06 180 loads and there isn't anything short range about that.

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"What do you think a normal speed would be for them out of a 22-24" barrel? 2500-2600?"

The fastest load I see in Nosler's manual has RL-22 pushing them at 2602 fps - that seems pretty stout. None of the other powders break into the 2600 fps level.

My rifle has an old, well-worn barrel, only 21" long, so I'm not at all surprised with the 2380 fps velocity. I could see the old girl churning up 2500+ fps with the right load though.


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Your old 30-06 pushing a 220 grain Partition at 2400 fps will still generate a wallop on any game you draw down on.

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Guy Miner wrote:
"What do you think a normal speed would be for them out of a 22-24" barrel? 2500-2600?"

The fastest load I see in Nosler's manual has RL-22 pushing them at 2602 fps - that seems pretty stout. None of the other powders break into the 2600 fps level.

My rifle has an old, well-worn barrel, only 21" long, so I'm not at all surprised with the 2380 fps velocity. I could see the old girl churning up 2500+ fps with the right load though.


Without a doubt Guy. That would be alot of power in your old 30-06.

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Mike,

You should work up a load in your 300 WSM and give it a field test on a freezer bull (moose). :wink:

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Now, that is a great idea, Jim. I just may do that. Among other good reasons, this particular 300WSM has not been blooded as yet. It needs the attention such an action will give it.

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DrMike wrote:
Now, that is a great idea, Jim. I just may do that. Among other good reasons, this particular 300WSM has not been blooded as yet. It needs the attention such an action will give it.


Now your talking! I might have to steal some of the 220's Brian has stashed for a try out in the 300WSM as well. I wouldn't feel too awfully handicapped using them 220's at 2700. Just a couple extra clicks on the turret and they should surely leave a mark on them bulletproof elk!

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A penetrating machine right there!

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Thanks Guy,
Interesting and informative as well. Wonder what they could do out of WM or RUM? Probably a bigger splash, less retained weight and 8 jugs deep. There is something about those big high sectional density bullets chugging along at those "mid-level" speeds. They seem to really work.

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Heavy for caliber, moderate velocity = dependable performance and penetration.

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DrMike wrote:
Now, that is a great idea, Jim. I just may do that. Among other good reasons, this particular 300WSM has not been blooded as yet. It needs the attention such an action will give it.


Good plan Mike, glad you thought of it. :mrgreen:

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Nosler shows a 2600 fps .30-06 load for this bullet! Rather doubt that can be safely reached using this old, well-worn 21" barrel. Still, it's an interesting thought...

My son and I have a little plan percolating that may result in a short range shot at a bear when the season opens in August... Am thinking I may pop the little 2.5x scope back on this rifle, and zero the 220 Noslers at 50 yards. Might even just stay with this 2400 fps level load. It's real easy on the shoulder.

We were tossing that idea around recently, when we figured out how we just might manage to get a 20 - 75 yard encounter with a bear this year. No baiting allowed here in Washington, so our bear hunting is spot & stalk, but we just might have a sneaky option available to us...

More on that later. It's an intriguing idea and the 220 Nosler might just play a role.

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That sounds like some fun right there Guy. I wanna good around with the 175's in my boys 7x57 Mauser. Those should be some sweet looking rounds all loaded up. Thinking I could get some decent speeds out of them as well.

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Thanks for bringing this thread up again Guy, that is one serious bullet for big game. I bet in your new Rem CDL you could get it going a lot faster :)

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We used to get into the 2600fps areana with two different loadings back in the day . I had a Styer Manlicher " Professional" at the time with a metric length barrel that was either just over or under the standard 24" American lengths........................... both 55.4grs of 4350 and 56.6gr of 4831 would get the 2600fps so it is certainly possible out of that gun anyway. I have fired some of those old loadings out of my Win Model 70 ATR but never chronographed any to see how much vel loss for the 2" shorter barrel ????? Moose hit with this load usually go straight down if you hit them correctly and it shoots right thru any Black Bear except on an end for end shot...................
If I didn't have my 35 Whelen it would be a go to load for Moose for me outta my 06 :idea:

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If I didn't have my 35 Whelen it would be a go to load for Moose for me outta my 06 :idea:


Me too I used this bullet in a 308 Norma Mag at over 2700 fps and it was an absolute hammer on black bears, too bad I never shot a moose with it before I went away from the caliber. One day I'll have to get a 30 cal rifle again.......

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Well this test is proof positive exactly what old Ward Gay who owned the original Alaska Safari for about 50 years used to tell hunters all the time..............
When they would call to book a hunt and start talking about a new "magnum" gun to come to Alaska with he would always try to discourage them if they already had an 30/06 and his comment was "just bring a box of 220's " for your Grizzly and Moose and the 150's work perfect for everything else............................................................... simple as that .
It worked in the 1950's and it still works perfect in 2013, any Moose or Bear " hit correctly" with a 220gr bullet from a 30/06 is on his way outta this world , that's for certain.

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