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 Post subject: Re: .30 cal 165 gr Ballistic Tip
PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:04 am 
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You always hear this rumor floating around that Nosler has changed the jacket and base numerous times over the years to get what we have today that most folks now like. But does anyone really know for sure what has actually been done? Anyone that worked at the factory ever leaked in solid intel on this subject?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:59 pm 

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One shot. 325 yards from sitting with no rest. Bear was quartering away. Rifle was a .30-06 Rem 700 CDL topped by an old 2-7x Redfield sighted in at 200 yards, with a 2900 fps muzzle velocity. Bullet went through a lot of bear. Core exited. I have a good sized chunk of bullet jacket. I'll weigh and measure it soon. Photos too. I'm so doggone impressed with this bullet! Accurate and lethal. I can ask for nothing more.

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 Post subject: Re: .30 cal 165 gr Ballistic Tip
PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:43 am 

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Congrats on the bear Guy

The 165 Ballistic Tip sounds like it did an excellent job!

That looks like another beautiful hide as well.

Very cool to see the 06 some field time.

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A competent rifleman equipped with a 30-06 and a good bullet will prove deadly on game to surprisingly long distances, just as Guy has demonstrated.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:32 am 

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.574" dia, 73 grains recovered from black bear at 325 yards, via .30-06 rifle:

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It's not a bonded-core bullet, and it did indeed lose the core - I believe the core, and perhaps some bone fragments were responsible for the exit wound. The bullet killed very quickly.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:27 pm 

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Nothing to argue about there. That jacket is pretty danged heavy. Very impressive.

After seeing how well Joel's 06/165 Accubond combo worked on crushing elk bones it made me a believer.

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 Post subject: Re: .30 cal 165 gr Ballistic Tip
PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:42 pm 
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I'm going to be using the tried and true formula you and Fotis have come up with in my RAR in .308!
I believe that Nosler has strengthened their .30 cal ballistic tips.
I was wondering if you would use that load as well on bear?
Fotis says go for it, I'm sure.
I also have a Savage 99c in .308 I just might try that in as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:59 am 

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The 45 gr of Varget and a good 165 gr bullet? Yes! I'd use that on bear. Accurate!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:22 pm 
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Guy Miner wrote:
The 45 gr of Varget and a good 165 gr bullet? Yes! I'd use that on bear. Accurate!!!

Guy


Great!
I'm starting off using that to deer and hog hunt here. Hopefully I see coyotes as well.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:28 am 

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The bullet recovered from the 140 yard shot on the mule deer looks good. I'll photograph it and weigh it later. No recovery from the pronghorn at 245 yards.

I have one more task for the .30-06 & 165 Ballistic Tip to go this year - hopefully I'll get a shot at an elk, in November or December during the late season. I've got a cow elk tag for an area only about 10 - 15 miles from my home. Am convinced the bullet is more than adequate for elk. Will be pretty cool if I can get all four big game animals with that same combo this year: bear, mule deer, pronghorn & elk!

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I have no doubt that the 165 BT is adequate for elk. Wishing you every success on that hunt.

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Can't wait to hear of your adventures in elk hunting now! Good luck, and I hope you get the biggest one possible!

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It's what I am using this deer season with my new .308 Crusader from GA Precision. Fireformed Lapua brass, 165 Ballistic Tips on top of 44.7 grains of Varget and BR 2 primer. Shoots .2 MOA three shot groups. Can't wait.

I have used 7mm 140 - 150 grain Ballistic Tips with a 7 Mag from 3100 to 3250 fps, flawless as well.

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Bullet recovered from the 2016 Wyoming mule deer buck. Bullet entered the chest, and was found just under the skin, along the flank, just ahead of the rear leg.

Expanded diameter is .54" and the recovered weight is 106.5 grains. There is a little "goo" still stuck to the bullet. Maybe a couple of grains?

The lead core remained firmly in place.

I do like these .30 cal, 165 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets.

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Very cool Guy. Seems like a good year with the 165 BT.

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Ya Scotty, a real good year:

Bear at 325 yards
Antelope at 245 yards
Mule deer at 140 yards
Elk at 338 yards

I think I'm done for the season... Thanks to the .30-06 & 165 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets.

If I find that bullet in the elk, I'll photograph & weigh it. Didn't find it yesterday.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 7:33 am 

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Guy Miner wrote:
Ya Scotty, a real good year:

Bear at 325 yards
Antelope at 245 yards
Mule deer at 140 yards
Elk at 338 yards

I think I'm done for the season... Thanks to the .30-06 & 165 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets.

If I find that bullet in the elk, I'll photograph & weigh it. Didn't find it yesterday.

Guy


That's a great year Guy. Seems to be something with a 165 and 30-06 going on here :x :lol:

Congrats again, I hope you find the bullet in there. I'm sure it's in that front leg somewhere. Lot of meat to hide in.

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A very good year, indeed! The 165 grain bullet is just about ideal for the 30-06, as you demonstrated this year. (y)

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Guy, your 06 did you very well this past fall and that 165gr. BT seems to do the job more than adequately.
I would think you have a full deep freeze (y).

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Great season Guy, looks like your still wackin & stacking em up! Great job. Your Varget loads sound interesting, but I think I am forever stuck with JOCs old favorite ( mine too)
Of 52grs of olde 4064 under a 165....... It's been working perfectly for over 35 years so can't switch now!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:58 am 

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35 Whelen wrote:
Great season Guy, looks like your still wackin & stacking em up! Great job. Your Varget loads sound interesting, but I think I am forever stuck with JOCs old favorite ( mine too)
Of 52grs of olde 4064 under a 165....... It's been working perfectly for over 35 years so can't switch now!


I think you're talking about TackDriver's .308 Winchester load with Varget. I use Varget almost exclusively in the .308, but have never tried it in the .30-06.

H4350 most of the time with me and the .30-06, particularly for the 165's. Been using that for a long time now, and before that it was IMR 4350 for a long time.

I think I'm done hunting with the .30-06 for now. It's done well.

Time to switch to the .25-06 and whack some coyotes! Still have a cougar tag in my wallet too...

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Well heck. No bullet recovery from the cow elk.

I field-dressed and skinned her myself, nobody else. Couldn't find the bullet then. Might have come out with the lungs & heart?

Went through the on-side shoulder, tore up the lungs real bad, and I believed it went into the off-side shoulder. Quite a bit of bloodshot meat on the offside shoulder, but I couldn't find anything that looked like an exit wound. I asked the butcher to keep the bullet for me if he found it. He never found it either. So, who knows?


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Either way, it did the trick it seems.

Have you gotten to have any of the elk yet?

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SJB358 wrote:
Either way, it did the trick it seems.

Have you gotten to have any of the elk yet?


Cooking some backstrap steaks tonight! :)


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Interesting comment by John Barsness, over on 24 Hour Campfire, where there's an ongoing discussion about the Ballistic Tip bullets for big game. He was in part, commenting on the 165 gr .30 cal Ballistic Tip recovered from my 2016 mule deer buck:

"Guy,

That recovered 165 .30 is typical of the expanded shape of the "super-heavy" jacketed Ballistics Tips. Their jackets are much thicker along the shank than most Ballistic Tips, surrounding only a relatively thin column of lead--the reason they retain more of the shank when expanded. The standard hunting BT's tend to open wider and "shorter."

Even when the super-heavy jacket BT's lose their cores, they normally retain around 60% of their weight, because there isn't much core to lose in the first place. Which is why they keep on penetrating even without any lead, unlike standard cup-and-coreds that lose their weight.

Have mentioned this before, but probably the deepest penetration I've seen with a super-heavy jacket BT was on a bull gemsbok, about the size of a typical mature cow elk. The bullet was the original super-heavy jacket BT, the 200-grain .338, and the bull stood quartering toward me at around 150-175 yards. The bullet clipped both the near shoulder and the bottom of the spine, ending up under the skin of the rump on the opposite side, retaining 59.4% of its original weight, despite losing the core."


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