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1. NEVER BEGIN LOADING WITH THE MAXIMUM POWDER
CHARGE SHOWN IN THESE RELOADING DATATABLES,
REGARDLESS OF YOUR EXPERIENCE.

2. NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS BECAUSE EXCESSIVE
CHAMBER PRESSURE WILL RESULT.

3. DISCONTINUE FIRING AT THE FIRST SIGN OF EXCESSIVE
PRESSURE OR UPON NOTICING A CHANGE IN THE REPORT
OF THE FIREARM.

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[Herman Botha 63]

Good day.
Not sure if I am on the correct forum. I own a .270 Musgrave. I am reloading with Peregrine 132gr points PMP(52.5gr S365 powder) cases for plus minus 3 years . Used CCI 200 primers. All went well until last year. CCI primers were not available and I use Winchester WLR primers. After a few sessions it started to blow the primers out. So bad that I had to force the action open. Braking the extractor mech. had the problem twice. First I thought it was the cases so I bought Norma cases. Had the same problem. Our Gunsmith said I am overloading. But I am in spec's with peregrine limits(51- 54gr)
I suspect the primer are too hot. Will load with other primers.
Anybody experience the same problem??

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

WInchester has been known to have a couple bad lots of primers the last few years. If you do a web search, you'll see several very experienced guys all have had the same issues. I blew 2 primers out and had 2 gas leaks on a 6 creed with Peterson brass at 1g below book max. I did a bit of research and came to the conclusion it had to be the WLR primers. I got a hold of their customer service and explained the issue. I was told they would send a return shipping box/label for the remaining 2 bricks I had, and they would replace them if they found they were bad. Well about 2 weeks later, I had 2 new bricks show up. I haven't used them yet, as I'm honestly a little gun shy now. My plan is to sell them, and replace with a different primer. I don't really trust them anymore. Or just save them for a rainy day and an absolute last resort...

 

[RL338]

When 1 component is changed you need to start low and work up. Wether it is primer , bullets , brass , or powder manufacturing lots do change.

 

[Charlie-NY]

The pressure signs that you described would indicate an extreme overpressure condition. I doubt that just a primer change could move the load from a safe pressure level to the conditions mentioned. You may have a combination of issues that are contributing to the problem. I would pull those reloads apart and start over with a significantly reduced charge and work back up.

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

Like I said above, it is definitely a Winchester primer issue. A simple Google search will show and tell all you need to know about them. But, I'll post some pics anyway. This was just on 1 thread over on AS, 4 or 5 different instances. So unless we all just forgot how to handload, I'd say there's a problem. All instances below were book load specs. No hot loading going on. They scarred my bolt face, along with several other guys. Send them back to Winchester, or throw them in the trash before you do anymore damage to your rifle. Winchester has been very good about everything and doing everything they can to make it right with those who have had issues.

In no way does a simple primer swap go from having a normal safe load, to blowing primers and having gas leaks. The most you'll ever see from a primer swap is usually only like 25fps. That doesn't make a poops worth of difference and take a normal safe load, to a dangerous over pressure load that blows primers and has severe gas leaks.

 

[Ralt71]

In no way does a simple primer swap go from having a normal safe load, to blowing primers and having gas leaks. The most you'll ever see from a primer swap is usually only like 25fps. That doesn't make a poops worth of difference and take a normal safe load, to a dangerous over pressure load that blows primers and has severe gas leaks.

Couldn't agree more. The first comment to OP should be reaching out to Winchester, doing a search on the lot number of primers he got and stop shooting that load until he figures out what is going on with Primers.

 

[FOTIS]

Good day.
Not sure if I am on the correct forum. I own a .270 Musgrave. I am reloading with Peregrine 132gr points PMP(52.5gr S365 powder) cases for plus minus 3 years . Used CCI 200 primers. All went well until last year. CCI primers were not available and I use Winchester WLR primers. After a few sessions it started to blow the primers out. So bad that I had to force the action open. Braking the extractor mech. had the problem twice. First I thought it was the cases so I bought Norma cases. Had the same problem. Our Gunsmith said I am overloading. But I am in spec's with peregrine limits(51- 54gr)
I suspect the primer are too hot. Will load with other primers.
Anybody experience the same problem??

CCI 200 is the "coldest" LR primer while Win 120 is the "hottest". I have seen 200 FPS differences in my 25-06 between those two.

I am talking about standard LR primers not Magnum.

 

[Ralt71]

CCI 200 is the "coldest" LR primer while Win 120 is the "hottest". I have seen 200 FPS differences in my 25-06 between those two.

I am talking about standard LR primers not Magnum.

I myself have not seen a swing that large, but I don't have much experience with the 25-06 and hope to never expand on it haha. I can't sit here and say that I remember ever swing in primer change I have ever made, but i would venture to say I don't recall even 80fps. Don't know that I've went from CCI 200's to Winny 120's either.

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

Ya, if that was the case, guys would just run a magnum primer in a standard case and get magnum velocities right? I don't think that's how it works sadly. I also don't believe it matters what case it's from. I've done primer testing from 222s through 300 RUMs and never seen such swings in velocity or pressure simply by changing a primer. There's a common misconception that a guy should " start low and work up" when changing primers, and that's not really true either. The primer is typically the last component that is changed or swapped when fine tuning a load. And it's as simple as a primer swap and keeping everything else the same to see if groups, and or es/sds tighten up. You don't rework the load and switch a primer, because you don't ever change 2 things at once when dialing something in. That's why I don't believe primers will rarely ever give more than a 25-50fps change in extreme cases. The most recent one I did was a 240 wby where I used WLR standard primers and then tried CCI 250 mag primers after settling on a load with 105 hpbts. The mag primer only added like 30fps, while the groups and es/sd doubled. It surely didn't blow my rifle up, blow the primers out the case, or blow gas past the primer.

I'm not calling anyone a liar, but anything over 50 fps from a simple primer swap makes me think something else ain't quite right, your cronograph is broke, or it was just an anomaly.

All the above instances were normal load work ups with the WLR primers as the primary, and well under book max loads. No primer swapping.

 

[Jurome]

I have had bad luck with Winchester primers this past year.. Three in the last year. Mellow loads. Cut the face of my Tikka real bad. Recent one in my other rifle pinholed but didn't cut the face.

 

[jimbires]

I have had bad luck with Winchester primers this past year.. Three in the last year. Mellow loads. Cut the face of my Tikka real bad. Recent one in my other rifle pinholed but didn't cut the face.

contact Winchester , I'd say they will replace them .

 

[Jurome]

Unfortunately for me, I am in Canada. The complex process of ITAR regulations is such that there is no simple way for them to make it right. A couple years ago I ran through three boxes of Nosler brass that were so messed up (tooling marks on the neck and shoulder) and one box had 13 shoulders gouged so badly they were dangerous. I contacted Nosler who immediately said they would replace all of them...until they found out I was not in the US. Said...sorry nothing we can do. Into the garbage they went and I lost my money. The border complicates things...I miss the good old days. I spent a great deal of my life in the US , I lived in Utah for almost a year (college) sure wish we could come and go like good neighbors in the old days. Seems to get more complicated each year. I am currently setting those primers to the side for now.

 

[DrMike]

Unfortunately for me, I am in Canada. The complex process of ITAR regulations is such that there is no simple way for them to make it right. A couple years ago I ran through three boxes of Nosler brass that were so messed up (tooling marks on the neck and shoulder) and one box had 13 shoulders gouged so badly they were dangerous. I contacted Nosler who immediately said they would replace all of them...until they found out I was not in the US. Said...sorry nothing we can do. Into the garbage they went and I lost my money. The border complicates things...I miss the good old days. I spent a great deal of my life in the US , I lived in Utah for almost a year (college) sure wish we could come and go like good neighbors in the old days. Seems to get more complicated each year. I am currently setting those primers to the side for now.

Unfortunately true situation. Don't know that it will ever return to what it was.

 

[Jurome]

Just so you know, no hard feelings. I have always had a soft spot for my neighbors to the south. The whole world seems to be on edge...I'll just steer well clear of Gen Z here in my home country and pray for a time in the future and maybe we can at least find some center on the pendulum to re-kindle old alliances. Keep on shootin' straight.

 

[Ralt71]

Unfortunately for me, I am in Canada. The complex process of ITAR regulations is such that there is no simple way for them to make it right. A couple years ago I ran through three boxes of Nosler brass that were so messed up (tooling marks on the neck and shoulder) and one box had 13 shoulders gouged so badly they were dangerous. I contacted Nosler who immediately said they would replace all of them...until they found out I was not in the US. Said...sorry nothing we can do. Into the garbage they went and I lost my money. The border complicates things...I miss the good old days. I spent a great deal of my life in the US , I lived in Utah for almost a year (college) sure wish we could come and go like good neighbors in the old days. Seems to get more complicated each year. I am currently setting those primers to the side for now.

I have a good customer that I consider a friend in Red Deer and I hear of the struggles you all have for the simplest things in this industry. I sure hope it gets better, but I don't suspect that would be any time soon.

 

[Jurome]

You are corrrect unfortunately. Canada is so overtly progressive we are going backwards...yet, strangely, there is no law against me bringing primers into the country. Perfectly legal. Canada customs wouldn't have a concern at all. But USA has them as controlled ITAR classified item...they are not to leave your country unless cleared by export processes. Timely, costly and just plain frustrating. My Leupold scopes that are legally imported into Canada cannot be sent back to Leupold for warranty work; there is a Canadian representative to do all that in country so that the ITAR wall is not crossed.

Around five years ago my elderly father was returning from a fly-fishing trip in Southern Idaho. He was in the lineup three vehicles from the border gate on the US side. Three men with bullet proof vests and assault weapons came out of a shrub, removed his keys from the ignition and began interrogating him. He was 85 years old and confused and they wanted to know if he was taking guns, ammo, scopes anything to do with firearms out of the country. It really shook him up. After 10 minutes of questioning while the other two tore into his cargo and baggage they let him carry on his way.

Meanwhile, north of the border currently, we have a government hell bent on taking gun laws to a whole new level (scary). Oh, and another thing I envy about the US, in Canada we cannot defend ourselves. Our (lawmakers) say that is not true, but we have an unusually high rate of good honest people being charged with assault for beating up home invasion criminals lol.

I guess this is why I enjoy this forum so much...no border...just people with a common interest and appreciation for something

 

[DrMike]

You are corrrect unfortunately. Canada is so overtly progressive we are going backwards...yet, strangely, there is no law against me bringing primers into the country. Perfectly legal. Canada customs wouldn't have a concern at all. But USA has them as controlled ITAR classified item...they are not to leave your country unless cleared by export processes. Timely, costly and just plain frustrating. My Leupold scopes that are legally imported into Canada cannot be sent back to Leupold for warranty work; there is a Canadian representative to do all that in country so that the ITAR wall is not crossed.

Around five years ago my elderly father was returning from a fly-fishing trip in Southern Idaho. He was in the lineup three vehicles from the border gate on the US side. Three men with bullet proof vests and assault weapons came out of a shrub, removed his keys from the ignition and began interrogating him. He was 85 years old and confused and they wanted to know if he was taking guns, ammo, scopes anything to do with firearms out of the country. It really shook him up. After 10 minutes of questioning while the other two tore into his cargo and baggage they let him carry on his way.

Meanwhile, north of the border currently, we have a government hell bent on taking gun laws to a whole new level (scary). Oh, and another thing I envy about the US, in Canada we cannot defend ourselves. Our (lawmakers) say that is not true, but we have an unusually high rate of good honest people being charged with assault for beating up home invasion criminals lol.

I guess this is why I enjoy this forum so much...no border...just people with a common interest and appreciation for something

Unfortunately an accurate assessment of the stupidity faced by living in the Great White North.