150 gr e-tip 300 sav & 308

[Polaris]

New to the site here, looks like lotsa knowledge out there, so lets tap it! I am considering this bullet for the 300 Sav ammo I am loading for a good friends Rem 722, my M99 and my wife's .308 win Savage. I'm currently loading the 150 speer btsp and my friend is worried that it is expanding/fragmenting too much. He is in Northern Wisc and the deer get big up there. The last 2 bucks he shot failed to pass through with broadside shots. I thought this bullet might be a good choice in this application.

Questions: Is this bullet suitable for deer at the impact velocities possible with these cartridges to 200 yards? Does anybody have any first hand experience on deer-sized game with this bullet/cartridge or longer shots with a heavier round? Are there any special considerations to loading this bullet other than the usual start 10% low and work up. I have Imr4320, IMR 4064, H Bl-C2 available and all have produced accurate ammo in these rifles.

 

[DrMike]

Polaris,

The Nosler site suggests 1800 fps as a minimum impact velocity for the E-Tip (http://nosler.com/etip.htm). So the bullet should still expand at reasonable distances when launched from either the 300 Savage or the 308. Generally, the monolithic bullets like a good jump to the lands. Allow about 0.100 inch. Nosler recommends not charging beyond the mid-point of the loads they have tested. Taking the recommendation from the Nosler experts and looking at the data presented in the Nosler Reloading Guide, No. 6, a maximum charge of IMR 4064 for the 300 Savage would be 38 grains with the 150 grain E-Tip. For the .308, the maximum charge by the formula presented would be 45 grains of IMR 4320 or 46 grains of IMR 4064.

I have not used the E-Tip on game taken with any of my 30 calibre rifles yet, but I did use the 130 grain E-Tip to harvest a large mule deer buck and a large moose this past season. I did not recover any bullets. I wouldn't hesitate to use the E-Tip in the rifles you are loading for.

 

[Richracer1]

You may need to think about using the ET in your Mod 99. I have a Mod 99 in 300 Savage and the 150AB ends up being a compressed load even though Nosler doesan't indicate it as such. I found that the max COL for my mod 99 was 2.6". So, I'm trying some 150PTs as they are a shorter bullet.

 

[Polaris]

You may need to think about using the ET in your Mod 99. I have a Mod 99 in 300 Savage and the 150AB ends up being a compressed load even though Nosler doesan't indicate it as such. I found that the max COL for my mod 99 was 2.6". So, I'm trying some 150PTs as they are a shorter bullet.

Yeah, I kinda wondered about that myself. The Rem 722 of my friends has a longer magazine and plenty of freebore so that won't be a problem there. I'm currently shooting a Hor. 165 flat base in my m99 and am pleased with it so I'll stick with what works there. It's an easy load.

Guess we'll see how the e-tip does in these rounds. Hopefully I can do some soft target tests this winter.

 

[JD338]

Polaris

The E-Tip bullets are pretty long so they will take up some of your case capacity.
The 150 gr PT will give you plenty of penetration on deer and black bear, even from your 300 Savage. I have shot deer, antelope, and my first black bear with the 150 gr PT out of a 30-06. My initial penetration test shooting into wet phone books showed the 180 gr SPCL penetrated 11-12" and the 150 gr PT went completely through the box.
Just another option for you....

JD338

 

[Polaris]

Polaris

The E-Tip bullets are pretty long so they will take up some of your case capacity.
The 150 gr PT will give you plenty of penetration on deer and black bear, even from your 300 Savage. I have shot deer, antelope, and my first black bear with the 150 gr PT out of a 30-06. My initial penetration test shooting into wet phone books showed the 180 gr SPCL penetrated 11-12" and the 150 gr PT went completely through the box.
Just another option for you....

JD338

Yeah, I am considering and leaning towards the 150 Partition now. I found the overall length of the Etip compared to bullets I have been using and it is quite long, even for the 722. I think I'll go with the 150 part Thanks guys.

 

[YoteSmoker]

50 yards from where my buddy stood and shot a bull elk this year, we found a 300 Sav case. It had been there a while....I wonder how it performed. Just a random thought of days gone by. I'm sure there were no e-tip or AccuBond available in the day it was fired.

 

[Polaris]

50 yards from where my buddy stood and shot a bull elk this year, we found a 300 Sav case. It had been there a while....I wonder how it performed. Just a random thought of days gone by. I'm sure there were no e-tip or AccuBond available in the day it was fired.

I know the stories about how those old 300 sav loads performed in my Grandpa's Md 99 that I still use. He shot only Rem 180 gr RNSPs through it and killed many a MN deer as well as several Canadian moose and bears with it and a couple of elk. If I weren't trying to stretch the range a bit with a 150 spitz and lighten the recoil for my friends bad shoulder, I'd still be using that bullet.

I shoot the classic 174 gr RN .311 in my chopped Mosin Nagant carbine that is my foul weather rifle. That bullet basically duplicates the old savage load and it is absolute lights out reliable on deer. Plows a nice wound channel all the way through every time. If you don't need the extra range, there's a lot to be said for those old RN chunks-O-lead.