remingtonman_25_06
Handloader
- Nov 17, 2005
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Can I get a QL for 223, 53g vmax, IMR-8208XBR, 26" bbl, 2.260"
Thanks
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223 53vmax QL
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DrMike
Ballistician
- Nov 8, 2006
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Code:
Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 53, Hornady V-MAX BT 22265
Useable Case Capaci: 25.594 grain H2O = 1.662 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : IMR 8208 XBR
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 84 19.84 2663 835 27533 4796 83.8 1.359
-18.0 86 20.34 2728 876 29397 4953 85.1 1.325
-16.0 88 20.83 2793 918 31391 5107 86.5 1.292
-14.0 90 21.33 2858 961 33528 5256 87.8 1.260
-12.0 92 21.82 2923 1005 35817 5402 89.0 1.228
-10.0 95 22.32 2988 1051 38272 5542 90.2 1.194
-08.0 97 22.82 3053 1097 40907 5677 91.4 1.160
-06.0 99 23.31 3118 1144 43736 5806 92.4 1.127
-04.0 101 23.81 3183 1192 46775 5929 93.4 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 103 24.30 3248 1241 50018 6044 94.4 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 105 24.80 3313 1292 53487 6152 95.2 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 107 25.30 3378 1343 57219 6252 96.1 1.007 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 109 25.79 3443 1395 61238 6343 96.8 0.979 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 111 26.29 3507 1447 65574 6425 97.5 0.953 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 114 26.78 3571 1501 70256 6498 98.0 0.927 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 116 27.28 3636 1555 75321 6560 98.6 0.902 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 24.80 3478 1423 63763 6182 99.2 0.964 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 105 24.80 3102 1133 43665 5850 87.9 1.129
Code:
Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 53, Hornady V-MAX BT 22265
Useable Case Capaci: 25.594 grain H2O = 1.662 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 54000 psi, or 372 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Accurate 2495 109.9 25.4 1.64 3423 99.8 54000 6391 1.044 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 105.9 27.3 1.77 3384 95.4 54000 6586 1.025 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 106.8 26.6 1.72 3383 97.5 54000 6386 1.031 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 110.0 26.0 1.68 3358 93.5 52132 6605 1.040 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 108.9 25.1 1.63 3324 95.5 54000 6250 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 101.3 25.7 1.67 3322 96.5 54000 6136 1.046 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 110.0 26.0 1.68 3313 92.2 51092 6443 1.052 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 110.0 26.0 1.68 3298 92.7 49917 6429 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 110.0 26.5 1.72 3235 89.4 49190 6235 1.076 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 110.0 26.2 1.70 3221 92.8 45349 6334 1.107
Accurate 4064 110.0 25.4 1.65 3217 96.7 43805 6309 1.141
Alliant Reloder-17 110.0 27.2 1.76 3157 88.6 43505 6526 1.121
IMR 4007 SSC 110.0 26.3 1.71 3138 84.2 48957 5812 1.093 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 110.0 27.4 1.78 3130 82.8 44780 6135 1.115
Winchester 760 110.0 27.4 1.78 3130 82.8 44780 6135 1.115
Accurate 2700 110.0 27.1 1.75 3087 84.1 50239 5433 1.092 ! Near Maximum !- Thread starter
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remingtonman_25_06
Handloader
- Nov 17, 2005
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Thank you Dr Mike.
Cant find any benchmark and local store bad poind of this and did some research. Seems to be the #1 powder in 223 for accuracy followed by benchmark.
havent tried the 53 vmax yet, but 52 amax/benchmark does 5 under 1/2 @3400 fps.
Hope its as good anyway.
I loaded 5 each at 25, 25.3, and 25.6. Hope to shoot them in the morning.
Cant find any benchmark and local store bad poind of this and did some research. Seems to be the #1 powder in 223 for accuracy followed by benchmark.
havent tried the 53 vmax yet, but 52 amax/benchmark does 5 under 1/2 @3400 fps.
Hope its as good anyway.
I loaded 5 each at 25, 25.3, and 25.6. Hope to shoot them in the morning.
When running Quickload for the 223 it's best to take an accurate measurement of case capacity in grain of H20.
Quickload's default case capacity for the 223 is 28.8gr of H20. This is on the low side for most of today's 223 brass, in fact I have yet to find any cases with less than 29gr of H20.
QL will be much more accurate if you supply your actual case capacity of a fired round.
Here is what's on my bench at the moment.
Remington(223) Dry weight-95.2gr
With H20-125.1gr
Case capacity in grains of H20-29.9gr
LC(5.56) Dry weight-96.3gr
With H20-126.7gr
Case capacity in grains of H20-30.4gr
Here is how QL calculates your load with LC brass with 30.4gr H20. Your Max load whent from 24.8gr to 25.8 gr.
Quickload's default case capacity for the 223 is 28.8gr of H20. This is on the low side for most of today's 223 brass, in fact I have yet to find any cases with less than 29gr of H20.
QL will be much more accurate if you supply your actual case capacity of a fired round.
Here is what's on my bench at the moment.
Remington(223) Dry weight-95.2gr
With H20-125.1gr
Case capacity in grains of H20-29.9gr
LC(5.56) Dry weight-96.3gr
With H20-126.7gr
Case capacity in grains of H20-30.4gr
Here is how QL calculates your load with LC brass with 30.4gr H20. Your Max load whent from 24.8gr to 25.8 gr.
Code:
Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 53, Hornady V-MAX BT 22265
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch or 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm
Powder : IMR 8208 XBR
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 79 19.84 2605 798 25130 4782 82.7 1.419
-18.0 81 20.34 2667 837 26749 4942 84.1 1.384
-16.0 83 20.83 2729 877 28473 5099 85.5 1.350
-14.0 85 21.33 2792 917 30311 5254 86.8 1.316
-12.0 87 21.82 2854 959 32272 5404 88.0 1.283
-10.0 89 22.32 2917 1001 34364 5551 89.2 1.251
-08.0 91 22.82 2979 1045 36595 5693 90.4 1.220
-06.0 93 23.31 3042 1089 38980 5829 91.4 1.187
-04.0 95 23.81 3104 1134 41522 5961 92.5 1.155
-02.0 97 24.30 3167 1180 44213 6086 93.4 1.124
+00.0 99 24.80 3229 1227 47071 6204 94.4 1.094 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 25.30 3291 1275 50124 6316 95.2 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 103 25.79 3353 1323 53388 6420 96.0 1.037 ! Near Maximum !
+06.0 105 26.29 3415 1372 56880 6516 96.7 1.010 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 26.78 3477 1422 60620 6604 97.4 0.984 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 109 27.28 3538 1473 64628 6683 97.9 0.959 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 24.80 3396 1357 55947 6287 98.7 1.017 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 24.80 3020 1073 38544 5856 86.7 1.193- Thread starter
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remingtonman_25_06
Handloader
- Nov 17, 2005
- 2,807
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Thank you sir!!
I just got back from range for 2nd time with this combo. Think I found a winner already.
25.6g put 6 shots under a dime at 100 yards, 3300fps over the crony.
should work for dogs a little better and a little better load to 500 then my 40g vmaxs at 3800fps.
I just got back from range for 2nd time with this combo. Think I found a winner already.
25.6g put 6 shots under a dime at 100 yards, 3300fps over the crony.
should work for dogs a little better and a little better load to 500 then my 40g vmaxs at 3800fps.
andrewctillman
Beginner
- Feb 6, 2013
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I called Hornady and talked to one of their reps. I said I would be shooting in a 16 and 20 inch barrel 1-9 twist AR with NATO chamber. They did not have NATO pressure loads for that bullet even though ogive was designed for AR use.
He suggested IMR 3031 and Win 748 for best combination of accuracy and velocity. (I told him I was not looking for a bench rest load, would be shooting coyotes at night at relatively close range).
I was out of 3031 so tried 748 in a 16 inch and nearly equaled Hornady Super Performance velocity of 3165 fps in that rifle. Think I averaged about 3140 fps with powder charge half way between their 3400 and 3300 fps level in latest manual.
(Just checked and it was 28.4 grains. Thats alot of powder, so be careful. Safe in my rifle.)
Add about 200 fps for a 26 inch barrel.
Dont know how well it will work with a powder thrower. It fills case up to neck with a single throw. I backed off and finished on a scale. It tamps down to a little way up neck. Some tension on bullet from compression when you seat it.
53 grain V max is 0.826 inches long. A Nosler 55 grain ballistic Tip is 0.808 long. A 60 grain Partition 0.776. So it is long for weight.
The V max in a 223 kills coyotes obviously, but they run 30 feet to 30 yards before piling up (at least they do with me shooting). The old 75 grain BTHP at 2700 - 2800 fps put them down alot quicker. They hardly ever needed a second shot and usually stayed put. I a surprised the slower bullet has done so well. Extra bullet weight is fragments and better penetration too. But they quit expanding about 150 yds at 2700 fps. 2800 - 2900 fps much better.
He suggested IMR 3031 and Win 748 for best combination of accuracy and velocity. (I told him I was not looking for a bench rest load, would be shooting coyotes at night at relatively close range).
I was out of 3031 so tried 748 in a 16 inch and nearly equaled Hornady Super Performance velocity of 3165 fps in that rifle. Think I averaged about 3140 fps with powder charge half way between their 3400 and 3300 fps level in latest manual.
(Just checked and it was 28.4 grains. Thats alot of powder, so be careful. Safe in my rifle.)
Add about 200 fps for a 26 inch barrel.
Dont know how well it will work with a powder thrower. It fills case up to neck with a single throw. I backed off and finished on a scale. It tamps down to a little way up neck. Some tension on bullet from compression when you seat it.
53 grain V max is 0.826 inches long. A Nosler 55 grain ballistic Tip is 0.808 long. A 60 grain Partition 0.776. So it is long for weight.
The V max in a 223 kills coyotes obviously, but they run 30 feet to 30 yards before piling up (at least they do with me shooting). The old 75 grain BTHP at 2700 - 2800 fps put them down alot quicker. They hardly ever needed a second shot and usually stayed put. I a surprised the slower bullet has done so well. Extra bullet weight is fragments and better penetration too. But they quit expanding about 150 yds at 2700 fps. 2800 - 2900 fps much better.
BeeTee
Handloader
- Jul 27, 2011
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I prefer W748 in my 223 (Rem 700 VS 24") - most accurate. Meters very-very well and it's at 100% load density with a 50gr bullet. I tried Benchmark last year. It's OK, but <100% LD, and doesn't meter nearly as well. W748 works well in my Ruger 308 Scout too, so it's an even easier choice.
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remingtonman_25_06
Handloader
- Nov 17, 2005
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Velocity with w748 and accuracy??
Hear a lot of great things about H322 as well. But wasnt there when I needed some.
nice to have an extreme powder or something that isnt temp semsitive. Load density has never really been a factor for me, let alone a deal breaker.
Hear a lot of great things about H322 as well. But wasnt there when I needed some.
nice to have an extreme powder or something that isnt temp semsitive. Load density has never really been a factor for me, let alone a deal breaker.
BeeTee
Handloader
- Jul 27, 2011
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remingtonman_25_06":iilh5u2x said:
I load the Nosler 50BT to 3325 to 3350-fps in my 24" barreled M700. In my rifle, that's with 27.7 gr of W748, Rem 7-1/2 BR primers and Win cases. Accuracy is almost always less than 1/2" when I try, with best 5-shot groups (dozens of them) in the 0.2-0.4" range. This is a factory rifle. My daughter shoots this rifle in the 0.3"s.
I don't think it's possible to overpressure a 223 with W748. 28 grains fills the case to the top of the neck. With 27.7gr, a couple finger taps on the side of the case after each powder-drop settles the powder to the neck/shoulder junction.
I used 27.0gr of W748 in a 20" barreled AR-15 I once owned. The rifle loved it, cycled flawlessly and produced about 3200fps.
I've never used H322. I've read that it was originally used in the 222 Remington, and that it worked well. 322 is faster burning than W748. I've used quite a bit of H335. In my rifle, H335 (loaded to the same velocity) produces loads that are a 1 tenth or two of an inch less accurate than otherwise identical loads using W748 in my M700. My AR-15 wouldn't cycle reliably using H335 for some reason, even after a lot of experimentation.
CatskillCrawler
Handloader
- Jul 30, 2011
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Have they re-designed W748 to lessen its temp sensitivity? It used to be notoriously sensitive.
BeeTee
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CatskillCrawler":3v4ijzcq said:
I wouldn't know anything about W748 being temperature sensitive. I've used a lot of it through the years - rapid fire in dog towns and 20 shot strings at the range during both cool and hot days. If it was temperature sensitive, I never saw it (hit percentage, group size or chrono). I've not shot my 223 in really cold weather, but my Ruger 308 (loaded with W748 and standard primers) does fine in cold temps.
I mentioned a while back here in the forums that last summer I shot some 20+ year old ammo in my 223 that I'd loaded with W748. Still under 1/2" groups.
1100 Remington Man
Handloader
- May 1, 2007
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I my self use V 133. & Hornadys 53gr V-MAX for more speed & accuracy. At 200 yds .77 inch groups & it's fast. The only down side is cost of powder. I would like to know what quick load would say with this powder ?
This is default QL data, it is likely your load would be different though, with varying case capacities.
Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 53, Hornady V-MAX BT 22265
Useable Case Capaci: 25.594 grain H2O = 1.662 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N133
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 89 19.20 2606 799 28933 5612 91.4 1.210
-18.0 91 19.68 2667 837 30900 5772 92.6 1.178
-16.0 93 20.16 2728 876 32991 5924 93.7 1.146
-14.0 96 20.64 2789 915 35227 6070 94.7 1.115
-12.0 98 21.12 2850 956 37620 6207 95.6 1.085
-10.0 100 21.60 2911 997 40184 6335 96.4 1.054
-08.0 102 22.08 2971 1039 42931 6454 97.2 1.024
-06.0 104 22.56 3031 1081 45878 6564 97.9 0.995
-04.0 107 23.04 3091 1124 49040 6663 98.5 0.967
-02.0 109 23.52 3150 1168 52441 6751 98.9 0.940 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 111 24.00 3209 1212 56076 6828 99.3 0.914 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 113 24.48 3268 1257 59961 6892 99.7 0.889 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 116 24.96 3326 1302 64137 6945 99.9 0.865 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 118 25.44 3384 1347 68633 6984 100.0 0.842 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 120 25.92 3441 1393 73478 7011 100.0 0.820 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 122 26.40 3497 1439 78709 7033 100.0 0.798 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 111 24.00 3335 1308 66735 6577 100.0 0.854 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 111 24.00 3032 1082 45849 6767 94.8 0.994
Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 53, Hornady V-MAX BT 22265
Useable Case Capaci: 25.594 grain H2O = 1.662 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N133
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 89 19.20 2606 799 28933 5612 91.4 1.210
-18.0 91 19.68 2667 837 30900 5772 92.6 1.178
-16.0 93 20.16 2728 876 32991 5924 93.7 1.146
-14.0 96 20.64 2789 915 35227 6070 94.7 1.115
-12.0 98 21.12 2850 956 37620 6207 95.6 1.085
-10.0 100 21.60 2911 997 40184 6335 96.4 1.054
-08.0 102 22.08 2971 1039 42931 6454 97.2 1.024
-06.0 104 22.56 3031 1081 45878 6564 97.9 0.995
-04.0 107 23.04 3091 1124 49040 6663 98.5 0.967
-02.0 109 23.52 3150 1168 52441 6751 98.9 0.940 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 111 24.00 3209 1212 56076 6828 99.3 0.914 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 113 24.48 3268 1257 59961 6892 99.7 0.889 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 116 24.96 3326 1302 64137 6945 99.9 0.865 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 118 25.44 3384 1347 68633 6984 100.0 0.842 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 120 25.92 3441 1393 73478 7011 100.0 0.820 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 122 26.40 3497 1439 78709 7033 100.0 0.798 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 111 24.00 3335 1308 66735 6577 100.0 0.854 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 111 24.00 3032 1082 45849 6767 94.8 0.994
1100 Remington Man":dxdz1u4t said:
What is your barrel length and your case capacity?
Here it is again in an easier to read format with 24 inch barrel and default case capacity of 28.8gr.
Code:
Cartridge : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 53, Hornady V-MAX BT 22265
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch or 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N133
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 89 19.20 2661 833 28933 5117 92.3 1.274
-18.0 91 19.68 2722 872 30900 5256 93.4 1.240
-16.0 93 20.16 2784 912 32991 5388 94.5 1.207
-14.0 96 20.64 2845 952 35227 5513 95.4 1.175
-12.0 98 21.12 2906 994 37620 5631 96.3 1.143
-10.0 100 21.60 2967 1036 40184 5740 97.0 1.111
-08.0 102 22.08 3027 1078 42931 5841 97.7 1.080
-06.0 104 22.56 3087 1121 45878 5932 98.3 1.050
-04.0 107 23.04 3146 1165 49040 6014 98.8 1.021 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 109 23.52 3206 1209 52441 6085 99.3 0.993 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 111 24.00 3264 1254 56076 6146 99.6 0.966 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 113 24.48 3322 1299 59961 6196 99.8 0.940 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 116 24.96 3380 1344 64137 6235 100.0 0.915 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 118 25.44 3437 1390 68633 6262 100.0 0.891 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 120 25.92 3493 1436 73478 6283 100.0 0.868 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 122 26.40 3549 1482 78709 6301 100.0 0.845 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 111 24.00 3385 1349 66735 5897 100.0 0.904 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 111 24.00 3089 1123 45849 6137 95.5 1.048
