.243 Win 115 grain QL Help please!

[taylorce1]

I hate asking for QL help again, I really should invest in the program for myself one of these days.

I have a rifle that I need to get working with again. 26" barrel 1:7 twist Savage that I built. I have the DTAC and Berger 115's on hand. Powders I have are RL22, PP4000MR, I&H4350, I&H4831 and SC and H1000 on my bench. Berger sent me their data but it doesn't list PP4000MR which has a burn rate in between I7828 and RL22. I just need a starting point with these powders and both bullets kind of like this data Dr Mike gave me in another post.

Cartridge          : .250 Savage
Bullet             : .257, 85, Nosler BalTip 43004
Useable Case Capaci: 40.423 grain H2O = 2.625 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.515 inch = 63.88 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 50000 psi, or 344 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 107 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17                 104.4     40.8     2.64    3168    95.9    50000   10262   1.007  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           104.4     40.8     2.64    3168    95.9    50000   10262   1.007  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    106.2     40.4     2.62    3122    93.6    50000    9857   1.022  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                            97.9     36.5     2.36    3106    95.8    50000    9540   1.029  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                105.8     42.0     2.72    3104    90.9    50000    9807   1.016  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     103.4     40.8     2.64    3103    89.8    50000    9732   1.017  ! Near Maximum !
               107.0     39.0     2.53    2930    86.9    45441    8667   1.068  ! Near Maximum !

Thanks!

 

[DrMike]

I'm not certain this is what you are looking for, but here goes. These data are generated using a 59K psi chamber pressure maximum. This is near SAAMI pressure standards, and the final tweak will produce minimal velocity changes. I would drop back ten percent (or at least five percent) and work up. When you lock in on a specific powder, I'll be pleased to help if I can.

Unfortunately, 4000MR has not been included in the data set at this time. I would anticipate it will be included in the next data set release.

Cartridge          : .243 Win.
Bullet             : .243, 115, Berger VLD  #24530
Useable Case Capaci: 46.308 grain H2O = 3.007 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.710 inch = 68.83 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 107 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

28 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP                           99.1     44.2     2.86    2985   100.0    59000   10380   1.293  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25                 107.0     45.4     2.94    2982   100.0    58859    9954   1.284  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    100.9     44.0     2.85    2981    98.9    59000   10716   1.288  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                103.9     47.3     3.07    2980    99.5    59000   10506   1.281  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  103.7     47.3     3.06    2980    99.6    59000   10486   1.281  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    101.2     45.9     2.98    2971    97.9    59000   10789   1.296  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                        99.7     43.7     2.83    2969    99.2    59000   10362   1.278  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           105.3     43.7     2.83    2969    99.2    59000   10362   1.278  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       101.1     43.6     2.83    2957    99.8    59000   10272   1.295  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 101.1     43.6     2.83    2957    99.8    59000   10272   1.295  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                       101.1     43.6     2.83    2957    99.8    59000   10272   1.295  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                     103.8     43.8     2.84    2955    99.7    59000   10287   1.295  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        103.8     43.8     2.84    2955    99.7    59000   10287   1.295  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        100.6     43.4     2.81    2955    99.1    59000   10286   1.277  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        104.5     46.3     3.00    2946    99.3    59000   10125   1.276  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     101.1     47.0     3.05    2936   100.0    59000    9778   1.289  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570                    107.0     48.2     3.12    2929    94.8    52303   11480   1.352  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33                 107.0     50.2     3.25    2925    95.8    52881   11354   1.349  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      102.3     43.3     2.81    2924    98.8    59000   10051   1.296  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       104.1     45.3     2.94    2919    97.6    59000   10166   1.283  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2                        107.0     45.7     2.96    2919    99.0    54164   10585   1.344  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30                        107.0     45.7     2.96    2919    99.0    54164   10585   1.344  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                         97.4     41.4     2.68    2916    99.6    59000    9754   1.284  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                  97.9     41.8     2.71    2913    99.7    59000    9799   1.293  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation          98.6     42.1     2.73    2907    99.6    59000    9729   1.294  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                 90.5     41.1     2.67    2906   100.0    59000    9429   1.300  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                      93.5     41.2     2.67    2905   100.0    59000    9415   1.300  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                         95.9     40.9     2.65    2891    99.5    59000    9561   1.294  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation           95.9     40.9     2.65    2891    99.5    59000    9561   1.294  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                           92.9     40.9     2.65    2891    99.5    59000    9561   1.294  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                    99.2     42.8     2.77    2889    98.5    59000    9706   1.291  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      103.2     42.8     2.77    2889    98.5    59000    9706   1.291  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                        95.0     40.3     2.61    2885   100.0    59000    8734   1.312  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                     90.3     39.4     2.55    2883   100.0    59000    9135   1.311  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                           93.0     39.3     2.54    2882   100.0    59000    9017   1.307  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation          93.0     39.3     2.55    2882   100.0    59000    9014   1.307  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                       92.3     39.4     2.55    2878   100.0    59000    8978   1.326  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                        98.1     42.3     2.74    2875    99.9    59000    9327   1.315  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780              96.7     43.5     2.82    2866    99.6    59000    9316   1.301  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation        93.6     40.6     2.63    2866   100.0    59000    9170   1.308  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                            97.6     39.9     2.59    2863   100.0    59000    8811   1.317  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                       96.8     40.7     2.64    2863    99.0    59000    9345   1.296  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      101.2     43.2     2.80    2860   100.0    59000    9018   1.331  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165                    103.3     43.6     2.83    2859    99.8    59000    9114   1.306  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071                         107.0     43.2     2.80    2859   100.0    58911    9016   1.332  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217                        107.0     45.2     2.93    2857    98.6    53382    9940   1.335  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000                      107.0     45.2     2.93    2857    98.6    53382    9940   1.335  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                       95.4     39.8     2.58    2851    99.9    59000    9008   1.299  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                          92.8     39.2     2.54    2851   100.0    59000    9003   1.315  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                            93.6     39.8     2.58    2850    99.9    59000    8988   1.299  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160                    103.3     42.3     2.74    2845    98.9    59000    9165   1.301  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                 95.5     39.4     2.56    2837   100.0    59000    8306   1.309  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                          90.8     38.0     2.46    2834    99.9    59000    8905   1.309  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                       90.8     38.0     2.46    2834    99.9    59000    8905   1.309  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                        95.8     43.5     2.82    2830    98.5    59000    9162   1.310  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                          91.7     38.3     2.48    2827   100.0    59000    8650   1.316  ! Near Maximum !

 

[taylorce1]

Thanks again Dr. Mike!

I was really hoping for the 4000 MR as there is a pretty good supply of it locally. Not much data on that one, I guess I'll have to email Alliant. Anyway I know where I can get the other powders that I left in as well. I've got plenty of good places to start, I guess I'll just put that 4000 MR on the back burner for now. I'll probably start with RL22 since it is what I have the most of on hand that I really don't use for anything, and had bought specifically for this rifle.

Cartridge          : .243 Win.
Bullet             : .243, 115, Berger VLD  #24530
Useable Case Capaci: 46.308 grain H2O = 3.007 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.710 inch = 68.83 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 107 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

28 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP                           99.1     44.2     2.86    2985   100.0    59000   10380   1.293  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    101.2     45.9     2.98    2971    97.9    59000   10789   1.296  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                        99.7     43.7     2.83    2969    99.2    59000   10362   1.278  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           105.3     43.7     2.83    2969    99.2    59000   10362   1.278  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 101.1     43.6     2.83    2957    99.8    59000   10272   1.295  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     101.1     47.0     3.05    2936   100.0    59000    9778   1.289  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                  97.9     41.8     2.71    2913    99.7    59000    9799   1.293  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                      93.5     41.2     2.67    2905   100.0    59000    9415   1.300  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                    99.2     42.8     2.77    2889    98.5    59000    9706   1.291  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      103.2     42.8     2.77    2889    98.5    59000    9706   1.291  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                       92.3     39.4     2.55    2878   100.0    59000    8978   1.326  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780              96.7     43.5     2.82    2866    99.6    59000    9316   1.301  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                            97.6     39.9     2.59    2863   100.0    59000    8811   1.317  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000                      107.0     45.2     2.93    2857    98.6    53382    9940   1.335  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                       95.4     39.8     2.58    2851    99.9    59000    9008   1.299  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                            93.6     39.8     2.58    2850    99.9    59000    8988   1.299  ! Near Maximum !

 

[Guy Miner]

Do you have the Berger manual? I've got it if you need any info from it.

I believe a warm 6mm flinging slippery 115's at good velocity should be one heck of a long range deer, pronghorn and coyote cartridge...

I could see doing that on a regular .243, a .243 AI, a 6mm Rem, the .240 Weatherby, 6mm-06 wildcat... Something along those lines, or even a 6-284...

Guy

 

[taylorce1]

Do you have the Berger manual? I've got it if you need any info from it.

I believe a warm 6mm flinging slippery 115's at good velocity should be one heck of a long range deer, pronghorn and coyote cartridge...

I could see doing that on a regular .243, a .243 AI, a 6mm Rem, the .240 Weatherby, 6mm-06 wildcat... Something along those lines, or even a 6-284...

Guy

Guy,

Thanks for the offer, Berger sent me the data on the 115's. They showed a lot of promise a couple of days ago when I shot them. I agree about a good LR round, but my rifle weighs 12lbs, I'll not be packing it too far.