So I loaded up some Accubonds using RL-19, CCI large rifle primers and seated per Nosler's recommend depth. Charges were 1 grain incriminates from 48 to book max of 52 grains. All shot in a Weatherby Vanguard with a 24 inch barrel. Except for the 48 grain load all gave me sub 1 inch groups, 52 was the best at 0.5 in. The surprising thing was, for the 52 grain load I only got an average velocity of 2947 fps. The brass was still pretty darn clean after firing too, with almost no soot on the neck. My velocity is more than 200 fps below advertised. I understand that the book velocities are a little optimistic but that's seemed really low. Then I realized something, I was using new unfired brass. During load development for other bullets I have noticed that once fired, neck sized only brass usually yields 150fps more than new unfired brass with the same accuracy. All in all I am extremely happy with the accuracy I got with the Accubonds. We will see if my velocity bumps up with once fired brass.
.25-06 and Accubonds
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I would think you are in great shape even if the speed doesn't bump up. With that setup shooting 1/2" group it should do anything the 25-06 was designed to do.
This is a load I put together for my Model 70 Featherweight. This rifle has given me trouble with hot loads so I keep it on the mild side and plan my shooting accordingly.
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This is a load I put together for my Model 70 Featherweight. This rifle has given me trouble with hot loads so I keep it on the mild side and plan my shooting accordingly.
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ElmerThud
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Using IMR4831 I chrono @ 3,120-3130fps MV & consistently achieve better than 1/2" MOA with the 110gn AccuBond.
It also does the business on the deer.
Certainly can't see a problem with your accuracy or stopping power though, but you may want to check out a different propellant to seek out some more MV & terminal energy.
It also does the business on the deer.
Certainly can't see a problem with your accuracy or stopping power though, but you may want to check out a different propellant to seek out some more MV & terminal energy.
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I've been thinking of adding a second powder to the list and IMR 4831 keeps getting recommend. Next time I am wandering around the powder counter at my local store, I'll grab some.ElmerThud":38h0dg5b said:Using IMR4831 I chrono @ 3,120-3130fps MV & consistently achieve better than 1/2" MOA with the 110gn AccuBond.
It also does the business on the deer.
Certainly can't see a problem with your accuracy or stopping power though, but you may want to check out a different propellant to seek out some more MV & terminal energy.
Not exactly the same, but my favorite load for the 240 Weatherby ( basically a 6.5/06) was 54gr R19 and the 90x ( a long, sticky bullet) for 3500fps from a 26" bbl. In fact, I only like R19 in standard cases and not compressed either ( this hurts because I am BIG on compressed loads, ) I think you should come on up to bruces 55gr in .5gr increments. I've had some rifles that got sub moa with mild loads, then got bigger as powder went up, then closed back in sub moa at Max! I used h4831 behind the Sierra 117SBT in my 25-06 though. Good luck to you Pard!
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So ? Go fire some reloads with the once fired brass and see what c'ha get !!
Reloading is Fun.....Right?
Reloading is Fun.....Right?
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Honestly I've never exceeded book loads. I'm not against it by any measure but I've always gotten pretty darn respectable velocities from the published data. Like I said, I will redo this test with once fired cases, and I may give the Winchester large rifle primers a try too as that is what is listed by Nosler.
What about you all, is there a primer you would recommend for the .25-06?
Back to bumping up the powder charge. I do recall that my primers didn't even look like they had any signs of flattening, so I'm guessing I could bump things up a little to see where things go. I may also try another powder as well. Regardless the velocity and accuracy I am getting now is nothing to sneeze at so if that is what I end up with I'll be happy.
What about you all, is there a primer you would recommend for the .25-06?
Back to bumping up the powder charge. I do recall that my primers didn't even look like they had any signs of flattening, so I'm guessing I could bump things up a little to see where things go. I may also try another powder as well. Regardless the velocity and accuracy I am getting now is nothing to sneeze at so if that is what I end up with I'll be happy.
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By the way, I just want you all to know this is the most helpful forum I have ever been a part of, so thanks for taking the time to provide great input to not only myself but all that come here with questions. Much respect to Nosler and the people who make up this forum.
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My load 58/RL25 3240 fps .65" at 100
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kraky1":8ki8ynqt said:
I'm basing that off my experience with some TTSX loads. Once fired were right around 3150, maybe a hair under with once fired, neck sized brass and right at 3000 with new brass. I'll have to find my chrono data to be certain but that's what I recall.
I went back and checked and I was at 3100 not 3150. That's still a 100fps difference.
I've never seen that much under "like" Temps and conditions with the same lots of brass n powder....but who knows.
They say day to day placing of a chrono n light can change things quite a bit too.
I just got a lab radar set up as a gift....this lucky sob will be smarter about such things now...lol!
They say day to day placing of a chrono n light can change things quite a bit too.
I just got a lab radar set up as a gift....this lucky sob will be smarter about such things now...lol!
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kraky1":2vkaxyx1 said:
Now that you mention it, the readings were taken in August and this past Sunday. It was about 30 degrees cooler and while around the same time the angle of light was likely different. So maybe the difference I am seeing is a compilation of factors. I'll try and do my next round of tests on the same day. I'll load up some TTSX with once fired and new brass and compare them under same the environmental conditions.
Thanks for pointing that out Kraky1.
Nothing wrong with using 270 Winchester pressure levels for a 25-06! For primers...my two faves are CCI BR2 (standard) and Fed 215M (mag) in that order. If some brass doesn't take the Feds, like some Nosler brass I've tried, I have found that the Winchester mag primers will fit. I've also had good results with R22 behind the Nosler 115PT, come to think of it.
Primers do make a BIG difference. With my current 25-06, Rem 700 26" Shilen SS #6 H&S Full bed stock, I found that it really does not like BT bullets like it does flat base. I found that a load of 49 grs IMR or AA 4350, they shoot the same for me, with what I call part sized Remington case. I use a FL size die to neck size and just bump the shoulder. With a CCI 250 mag primer gives the best accuracy and velocity. I settled on a 117 gr Sierra Pro Hunter 20 thousands off the lands and I average 3000 fps with bug holes at 100 and 1" at 300 on average. I have killed a train load of deer with this load from point blank to a bit over 500 yards with 99% of the time BANG FLOP results. There are a lot of things that influence how a chrno will read your velocity. The only way to really know if the velocity is correct is to shoot out to long range and confirm what your drops are. Good luck and good shooting.
ElmerThud
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I've tried a variety of primers in my .25-06 over the years and finally settled on the Fed.210M, but the differences for hunting purposes are very very small and I'd be happy to use Rem.9 1/2, CCI200 and the Fed 215Mag.
I haven't ever tried a BR primer.
As far as bullets are concerned I tend to stay at the lighter weight end and would note from my rifle, the Sierra #1620 100gn Prohunter with 53gns IMR4350 & an approx. MV of 3300fps invariably bug holes @ 100yds and shoots far better than any boat tail I've tried.
This load brings down hinds out to 280-300yds and is OK for lighter weight Scottish red hill stags.
The 110gn AccuBond is the heaviest I need to go to bring down the biggest 25stone stags in the UK & find the bullet works admirably in this respect.
To present time I've only used it out to 250yds on stags.
But, I did have difficulty finding a sweet spot in my rifle for the bullet and have the idea my barrel is more at home with 'flat base' bullets than boat tail.
However, the Nosler 110gn AB is just fine and I get excellent accuracy from the bullet with my load.
As for resizing, I gave up neck sizing some years ago and only F/L resize to a fired case headspace dimension. The result is great case life. You do need a decent headspace guage to determine the correct dimension though, so a bit of cash outlay there.
I haven't ever tried a BR primer.
As far as bullets are concerned I tend to stay at the lighter weight end and would note from my rifle, the Sierra #1620 100gn Prohunter with 53gns IMR4350 & an approx. MV of 3300fps invariably bug holes @ 100yds and shoots far better than any boat tail I've tried.
This load brings down hinds out to 280-300yds and is OK for lighter weight Scottish red hill stags.
The 110gn AccuBond is the heaviest I need to go to bring down the biggest 25stone stags in the UK & find the bullet works admirably in this respect.
To present time I've only used it out to 250yds on stags.
But, I did have difficulty finding a sweet spot in my rifle for the bullet and have the idea my barrel is more at home with 'flat base' bullets than boat tail.
However, the Nosler 110gn AB is just fine and I get excellent accuracy from the bullet with my load.
As for resizing, I gave up neck sizing some years ago and only F/L resize to a fired case headspace dimension. The result is great case life. You do need a decent headspace guage to determine the correct dimension though, so a bit of cash outlay there.
