250 Savage 99A

[West Canada Creek 30-30]

Looking for info on the 25 cal E-Tip (100 gr) for whitetail deer or the 100 gr Ballistic Tip. Tried another brand last year got the 8pt but he ran for some distance. Shot at 35 yds behind the shoulder and acted as though I missed. A little hair and very few drops of blood but thank god for snow. Any and all load data would be appreciated. I have a stock of IMR 3030, 4895 and 4350.
Thanks.

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge : .250 Savage
Bullet : .257, 100, Nosler BalTip 25100
Useable Case Capaci: 38.913 grain H2O = 2.527 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.515 inch = 63.88 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0   82    30.96   2339    1215   26516   7700     85.6    1.421
-18.0   84    31.73   2402    1281   28305   7996     87.3    1.384
-16.0   86    32.51   2465    1350   30224   8283     88.9    1.348
-14.0   88    33.28   2529    1421   32279   8562     90.4    1.313
-12.0   90    34.06   2594    1494   34489   8829     91.8    1.278
-10.0   93    34.83   2659    1570   36863   9084     93.1    1.244
-08.0   95    35.60   2724    1648   39414   9325     94.4    1.204
-06.0   97    36.38   2790    1728   42161   9551     95.5    1.167
-04.0   99    37.15   2855    1810   45121   9760     96.5    1.130  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  101    37.93   2921    1895   48317   9950     97.4    1.095  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  103    38.70   2987    1981   51771  10120     98.1    1.061  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  105    39.47   3053    2069   55508  10269     98.7    1.028  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  107    40.25   3118    2159   59562  10396     99.3    0.996  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  109    41.02   3184    2251   63961  10499     99.6    0.965  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  111    41.80   3249    2344   68751  10577     99.9    0.935  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  113    42.57   3314    2439   73976  10629    100.0    0.906  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 38.70 3153 2208 62814 9847 100.0 0.976 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 38.70 2760 1692 42155 9652 90.4 1.169

Cartridge : .250 Savage
Bullet : .257, 100, Nosler BalTip 25100
Useable Case Capaci: 38.913 grain H2O = 2.527 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.515 inch = 63.88 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 52000 psi, or 358 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------

Alliant Reloder-17                 103.0     38.7     2.51    2991    98.2    52000   10130   1.059  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      107.7     38.6     2.50    2945    96.3    52000    9757   1.082  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          107.7     38.2     2.48    2940    96.2    52000    9689   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    104.5     38.3     2.48    2937    96.1    52000    9768   1.077  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     107.8     39.9     2.59    2933    93.9    52000    9807   1.068  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       102.0     38.7     2.51    2929    92.9    52000    9738   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     102.0     38.7     2.51    2929    92.9    52000    9738   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       99.7     36.1     2.34    2907    98.6    52000    9249   1.094  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                110.0     38.2     2.47    2898    97.9    51106    9112   1.076  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       99.6     35.0     2.27    2895   100.0    52000    8834   1.116  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       92.3     34.9     2.26    2889    99.7    52000    8792   1.098  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       93.8     32.9     2.13    2884   100.0    52000    8467   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        98.5     36.1     2.34    2881    95.7    52000    9214   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          106.0     39.3     2.54    2875    89.6    52000    9356   1.071  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 110.0     39.5     2.56    2840    88.8    48793    9441   1.101  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             110.0     41.6     2.70    2838    89.2    51895    9063   1.075  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           110.0     37.8     2.45    2833    95.1    46779    9273   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        99.6     36.2     2.35    2828    92.0    52000    8866   1.093  ! Near Maximum !

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge : .250 Savage
Bullet : .257, 100, Nosler E-Tip 59456
Useable Case Capaci: 37.864 grain H2O = 2.458 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.515 inch = 63.88 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   82    30.00   2336    1212   27479   7432     85.8    1.378
-18.0   84    30.75   2396    1274   29207   7709     87.4    1.345
-16.0   86    31.50   2456    1339   31050   7979     88.9    1.312
-14.0   88    32.25   2517    1406   33039   8242     90.3    1.279
-12.0   90    33.00   2578    1476   35164   8496     91.6    1.247
-10.0   92    33.75   2640    1547   37441   8740     92.9    1.216
-08.0   94    34.50   2702    1621   39892   8973     94.1    1.185
-06.0   96    35.25   2765    1698   42525   9192     95.1    1.155
-04.0   98    36.00   2828    1776   45357   9397     96.1    1.125  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  100    36.75   2891    1856   48412   9586     97.0    1.096  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  102    37.50   2955    1939   51708   9757     97.8    1.068  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  104    38.25   3018    2023   55269   9910     98.4    1.036  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  107    39.00   3082    2109   59127  10043     99.0    1.005  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  109    39.75   3145    2197   63310  10156     99.4    0.975  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  111    40.50   3209    2286   67856  10245     99.7    0.946  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  113    41.25   3272    2377   72807  10312     99.9    0.917  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 37.50 3120 2161 62293 9540 100.0 0.985 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 37.50 2734 1660 42469 9271 89.9 1.159

Cartridge : .250 Savage
Bullet : .257, 100, Nosler E-Tip 59456
Useable Case Capaci: 37.864 grain H2O = 2.458 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.515 inch = 63.88 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 52000 psi, or 358 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17                 102.6     37.6     2.43    2960    97.8    52000    9771   1.065  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      107.2     37.4     2.42    2910    95.9    52000    9389   1.091  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          107.3     37.0     2.40    2907    95.8    52000    9335   1.079  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    104.0     37.1     2.40    2905    95.6    52000    9412   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     107.4     38.7     2.51    2899    93.4    52000    9440   1.077  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       101.6     37.5     2.43    2894    92.3    52000    9367   1.079  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     101.6     37.5     2.43    2894    92.3    52000    9367   1.079  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                110.0     37.1     2.41    2878    97.7    51800    8811   1.077  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       99.1     35.0     2.27    2873    98.3    52000    8914   1.104  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       98.8     33.7     2.19    2861    99.9    52000    8512   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       91.7     33.8     2.19    2857    99.6    52000    8481   1.107  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        93.8     33.8     2.19    2857    99.6    52000    8481   1.107  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       92.9     31.7     2.06    2850   100.0    52000    8144   1.132  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        98.0     35.0     2.27    2846    95.3    52000    8873   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26                 110.0     41.3     2.67    2843    91.9    45216   10203   1.131  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          105.6     38.1     2.47    2841    89.0    52000    8992   1.080  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 110.0     38.4     2.49    2819    88.4    49491    9114   1.099  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           110.0     36.8     2.38    2815    94.9    47675    8963   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             109.7     40.4     2.62    2805    88.5    52000    8715   1.083  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                          110.0     40.1     2.60    2803    88.2    45270    9699   1.131  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        99.2     35.1     2.28    2793    91.4    52000    8535   1.104  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       110.0     39.4     2.56    2759    83.3    47165    9050   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   110.0     38.8     2.52    2740    84.1    48525    8541   1.112  ! Near Maximum !

I included Lovex D073.6; I note that Natchez is marketing this as "Shooters World Match Rifle Powder" (http://www.natchezss.com/match-rifle-powder-1lb.html).

 

[JD338]

I think you might be better off with the 100 gr BT.
The ET has a long bearing surface so you are looking at slower speeds to keep pressures at a safe level in the 99.
The slower twist rate would be better suited for the 100 gr BT.
JD338

 

[26NosFan]

Is it a newer model with the 1:10 twist or the older 1:14?

 

[Dwh7271]

I think you might be better off with the 100 gr BT.

+1 . Good call.

The RL17 Dr Mike ran is a top notch powder for the 250.

I run a 250AI and RL15. RL 15 in the AI is like they designed it for that cartridge.
The 250 is a cool cartridge and the BT is going to open quickly at those speeds. Shouldn't have to chase them very far with that bullet.

 

[SJB358]

I wouldn't be a bit worried about the 100 BT starting out at 2900-3000 from the 250. Should work real well and penetrate too.

Love the Adirondacks. We used to have a camp in Minerva.

 

[cloverleaf]

JD gave you some good advice. If your twist rate will hold the 100 gr then a BT would be my choice. Favorite loads include 35 gr of 4064 or 38 gr of 4350. If you have the slower twist you could try some 85 gr CTs or TSXs. At 3000 fps or less the BT is pret5y tough and an optimal bullet in the 250 IMHO. CL

 

[Dwh7271]

Don't overlook the 100 gr Partition either. That's a terrific little bullet.

 

[West Canada Creek 30-30]

I have a newer rifle with the 1-10" twist. Thanks for all the info so far..

 

[Dwh7271]

From reading your post it sounds like last years bullet didn't expand much if any. That could have resulted in the tracking job.
The 250 isn't going to be blistering fast so I would want a bullet with fairly quick expansion at the speeds and range you'll be shooting.
To me, that says Ballistic Tip or Partition, in that order.
You stick that 100 gr BT right behind his shoulder you won't have to chase him far at all.

 

[JD338]

From reading your post it sounds like last years bullet didn't expand much if any. That could have resulted in the tracking job.
The 250 isn't going to be blistering fast so I would want a bullet with fairly quick expansion at the speeds and range you'll be shooting.
To me, that says Ballistic Tip or Partition, in that order.
You stick that 100 gr BT right behind his shoulder you won't have to chase him far at all.

Exactly

JD338

 

[DrMike]

From reading your post it sounds like last years bullet didn't expand much if any. That could have resulted in the tracking job.
The 250 isn't going to be blistering fast so I would want a bullet with fairly quick expansion at the speeds and range you'll be shooting.
To me, that says Ballistic Tip or Partition, in that order.
You stick that 100 gr BT right behind his shoulder you won't have to chase him far at all.

Exactly

JD338

You have received excellent advice. The monolithic bullets at the velocities developed in your Model 99 may not be as reliable as you desire. A cup and core bullet is designed to open at these lower velocities. My choice would be the 100 grain Ballistic Tip or the Partition as suggested.

 

[Blkram]

Other bullet choices could also include Hornady and Sierra bullets in 100 grain.