165 bucks for an 8 pounder is not bad. For the Retumbo 's slow burning characteristics I would use the 160 Accubonds, you will push the heavy bullets pretty fast with that type of powder. On my 7 Mag test with Retumbo and 168 VLD, I was pushing 3,075 fps, but settled with RL 25 and at 3,050 fps.