284 win 150 accubond long range?
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I have never loaded for the 284 Win but I would think RL 22 would be a good starting point.
I'm thinking you should get 3000 fps.
JD338
I'm thinking you should get 3000 fps.
JD338
I'm very interested too. I've got 1000 150 ablr's and a short action custom 284 winchester on the way with a 28" krieger 9 twist and 2.95" of mag space. I need someone to throw some data. I'm gonna start with 53.5gr of IMR 4350 and about the same charge of R17. I'd also like to experiment with IMR 8208 xbr between 42 and 46gr. If anyone has quickload to run some #'s that would be awesome!
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hodgdon does have some loading data for the 284 used a 150gr Scirocco start load 50gr/H-4350 @ 2721 fps max 54.5gr/H-4350 @ 2913fps test barrel 24" 1/10 twist COL 2.965".
I haven't found any 150gr ABLR yet but that's next bullet I'm trying in my 284. Nosler has some data for the 284 they used Lilja 1/9 twist barrel 24" long. Most of their OAL is 2.800".
In mine I've had good luck with R-17,H-4831sc from 160gr up to Berger 180gr VLD. Well good luck
I haven't found any 150gr ABLR yet but that's next bullet I'm trying in my 284. Nosler has some data for the 284 they used Lilja 1/9 twist barrel 24" long. Most of their OAL is 2.800".
In mine I've had good luck with R-17,H-4831sc from 160gr up to Berger 180gr VLD. Well good luck
DrMike
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Any of these should get you going.
Code:
Cartridge : .284 Win.
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler Accubond LR 58734 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 54.756 grain H2O = 3.555 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
7 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 109.5 57.7 3.74 3003 99.0 63000 12540 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 98.4 52.1 3.38 2959 100.0 63000 11145 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 109.2 56.6 3.67 2956 96.3 63000 12156 1.066 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 110.0 56.7 3.68 2946 95.5 60644 12486 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 110.0 59.0 3.82 2923 93.6 59862 12428 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 110.0 56.1 3.64 2922 97.4 59905 12106 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 103.2 53.8 3.48 2922 99.5 63000 11392 1.082 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 107.7 54.4 3.52 2919 97.7 63000 11618 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 110.0 60.5 3.92 2917 98.0 61969 11626 1.076 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 97.4 52.0 3.37 2916 99.0 63000 11382 1.085 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 97.4 52.0 3.37 2916 99.0 63000 11382 1.085 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 102.7 51.3 3.32 2905 100.0 63000 10955 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 99.7 51.4 3.33 2904 99.9 63000 11089 1.094 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 102.0 51.5 3.33 2902 100.0 63000 10930 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 102.0 53.2 3.45 2892 97.4 63000 11281 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 107.8 52.1 3.38 2887 100.0 63000 10721 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 108.6 55.4 3.59 2882 95.5 63000 11297 1.076 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 92.5 46.7 3.03 2872 100.0 63000 10430 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 105.4 51.5 3.34 2868 100.0 63000 10078 1.088 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 105.8 56.3 3.65 2868 97.4 63000 10979 1.081 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 93.3 47.1 3.05 2865 100.0 63000 10400 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 93.8 47.3 3.07 2862 100.0 63000 10313 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 94.6 48.8 3.16 2857 99.9 63000 10540 1.101 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 104.8 51.7 3.35 2855 98.4 63000 10712 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 102.8 51.6 3.35 2854 98.5 63000 10694 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 95.1 48.5 3.14 2853 100.0 63000 10154 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 110.0 55.5 3.60 2837 99.1 59899 10837 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 110.0 54.9 3.56 2835 96.1 54438 11819 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 96.3 49.3 3.20 2832 98.5 63000 10541 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 94.8 46.8 3.03 2813 100.0 63000 9517 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 91.5 45.2 2.93 2808 100.0 63000 9627 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 110.0 54.0 3.50 2797 94.2 57231 11002 1.124 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 110.0 54.0 3.50 2793 93.8 52792 11588 1.156
Accurate 2700 96.3 50.7 3.29 2784 98.3 63000 9935 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 110.0 55.2 3.58 2773 98.3 49027 11681 1.196
Vihtavuori N165 110.0 54.9 3.56 2772 97.0 56215 10583 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 110.0 53.2 3.45 2757 95.1 57262 10445 1.133 ! Near Maximum !DrMike
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Welcome aboard, James. I didn't read your second post before I generated the powder profile. Here is a printout with H4350 and the 150 ABLR.
The RL17 should really get things moving, Gunny.
Code:
Cartridge : .284 Win.
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler Accubond LR 58734 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 54.756 grain H2O = 3.555 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 83 41.20 2288 1744 32883 8428 89.5 1.457
-18.0 86 42.23 2343 1829 35061 8695 90.7 1.420
-16.0 88 43.26 2399 1917 37385 8954 91.8 1.383
-14.0 90 44.29 2454 2006 39861 9205 92.8 1.342
-12.0 92 45.32 2510 2098 42487 9448 93.8 1.302
-10.0 94 46.35 2565 2192 45261 9682 94.8 1.264
-08.0 96 47.38 2621 2288 48211 9905 95.6 1.228
-06.0 98 48.41 2676 2386 51355 10116 96.4 1.192
-04.0 100 49.44 2732 2485 54707 10316 97.1 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 102 50.47 2787 2587 58285 10502 97.8 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 104 51.50 2842 2690 62106 10675 98.3 1.094 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 106 52.53 2897 2796 66190 10832 98.8 1.063 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 108 53.56 2952 2903 70561 10975 99.2 1.033 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 111 54.59 3007 3011 75242 11101 99.5 1.005 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 113 55.62 3061 3121 80263 11209 99.8 0.977 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 115 56.65 3116 3233 85655 11300 99.9 0.950 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 104 51.50 2962 2922 73123 10467 100.0 1.020 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 104 51.50 2680 2393 51295 10386 92.8 1.189Gunny81":11r4fg9y said:
Code:
Cartridge : .284 Win.
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler Accubond LR 58734 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 54.756 grain H2O = 3.555 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 28.0 inch = 711.2 mm
Powder : IMR 4350
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 82 41.28 2443 1988 33276 6597 92.5 1.661
-18.0 84 42.31 2500 2081 35486 6782 93.6 1.619
-16.0 86 43.34 2556 2176 37847 6959 94.5 1.577
-14.0 88 44.38 2612 2273 40358 7129 95.4 1.531
-12.0 90 45.41 2669 2372 43013 7291 96.2 1.487
-10.0 93 46.44 2724 2472 45823 7444 96.9 1.445
-08.0 95 47.47 2780 2574 48816 7587 97.6 1.405
-06.0 97 48.50 2836 2678 52006 7720 98.2 1.366
-04.0 99 49.54 2891 2783 55409 7842 98.7 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 101 50.57 2946 2890 59040 7953 99.1 1.293 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 103 51.60 3000 2998 62919 8052 99.4 1.258 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 105 52.63 3055 3108 67066 8139 99.7 1.224 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 107 53.66 3108 3218 71504 8213 99.9 1.192 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 109 54.70 3162 3330 76260 8274 100.0 1.161 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 111 55.73 3215 3443 81361 8322 100.0 1.130 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 113 56.76 3268 3557 86840 8363 100.0 1.101 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 51.60 3109 3220 74051 7759 100.0 1.179 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 51.60 2845 2696 51991 8009 95.3 1.362
Code:
Cartridge : .284 Win.
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler Accubond LR 58734 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 54.756 grain H2O = 3.555 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 28.0 inch = 711.2 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 79 41.68 2541 2151 32351 7326 98.3 1.649
-18.0 81 42.72 2600 2252 34560 7481 98.9 1.607
-16.0 83 43.76 2659 2355 36911 7619 99.4 1.566
-14.0 85 44.81 2717 2459 39443 7741 99.7 1.520
-12.0 87 45.85 2775 2565 42143 7845 99.9 1.474
-10.0 89 46.89 2832 2671 45040 7931 100.0 1.431
-08.0 91 47.93 2888 2779 48140 8007 100.0 1.389
-06.0 93 48.97 2944 2886 51467 8081 100.0 1.350
-04.0 94 50.02 2999 2995 55039 8152 100.0 1.311 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 96 51.06 3053 3105 58862 8221 100.0 1.274 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 98 52.10 3107 3215 63004 8287 100.0 1.238 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 100 53.14 3160 3326 67449 8350 100.0 1.204 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 102 54.18 3213 3439 72242 8411 100.0 1.171 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 104 55.23 3266 3553 77418 8468 100.0 1.139 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 106 56.27 3318 3668 83011 8523 100.0 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 108 57.31 3371 3784 89064 8574 100.0 1.079 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 98 52.10 3202 3416 76907 7970 100.0 1.155 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 98 52.10 2959 2915 50764 8719 99.7 1.350The RL17 should really get things moving, Gunny.
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DrMike
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You are assuredly welcome. Trust we'll see your results as soon as you're able to get to the range.
Sas874runner
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3000 for a 22" barrel. Yikes. Can you say long ways away
Update guys. I tested 25 rounds of 150 ABLR today in my 284. I loaded all to mag length of 2.956". My starting load was five rounds of 53.5 gr of IMR 4350. That yielded 3050 fps roughly. 54 was 3095 approx. I stepped straight up to 55gr. This load is about the max that I could fit without compressing too much. It cracked 3201 fps and had an es over five rounds of 20. Thats not bad for a new barrel, but not great. 55.5 gr was even more compressed and approx 3175 with es 60. 56gr was a little scary. Lol. Tight bolt. Very compressed and had to settle on 2.963" overall length due to unreliable oal at 2.95". This load yielded 3257 with an es 23. I'm gonna load 100 at 54.5 which should be slightly over 3100. That'll be about 99% fill with normal pressure. Remember that I'm running a 28" krieger 5r 9 twist on a blueprinted savage short action. I know that this load is a bit much at 2.80", but mine is loaded at a minimum of 2.956". I do have a little leeway above the quickload estimate. I was so happy to find out that this little round is capable of such speed. Now on to find the accuracy node and stretch this little thing on out to 1000, 1200, 1500, 1760, and 2000. Hopefully the claimed bc holds up. If it does, I'll be looking at 6.7mils to 1000, and 19.5 mils to a mile from a 100 yard zero at 3100 fps. 2000 yards would be about 24 mils. I was so nervous that my chrono was off earlier, but I shot my gap .308 24" with 175 smks in between five round groups and it was spot on with the velocities I had recorded before with it. So, the 284 is smokin pretty good. I believe IMR 4350's burn rate is a little faster than r17 and H4350 so it's actually better suited for this particular bullet than the slower powders. I used winchester brass and wlr primers. The data shown above says my loads are dangerous, but with my extra 0.15" I believe them to be near max. Primers are in good shape, and the bolt only got a little stiff on the last load. I'm super happy with the results. Oh, by the way. These 25 were the first shots from a new barrel and it only held 3/4" at 100 with the worst and 1/4" with the best load. The 54gr close to 3100 got the 1/4".
gerry
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Gunny welcome, looks like you have an excellent gun with accuracy like that right off the bat. The Savage short action are nice and even better with all that extra room in the magazine compared to some short actions.
Thanks guys. Glad to be here. This seems like the only page that has any info really on nosler in specific. The guys on the hide and accurate shooter seem to only look at what's popular. I believe that if the bc holds true on the 150 ablr, then the factory 284 is the new evolution in firearms. I think I have actually done something truly original with these particular loads, powder, and barrel spec combination. Its a really exciting time. I hope others join in. With the results I got today, I should be able to push a 168 berger vld or 175 smk close to 3000 fps on a SHORT ACTION!!!!!! So happy!
DrMike
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Good intel, Gunny. When I factor in the OAL you used, the pressure data is right on the line, which wouldn't register as extreme.
I suspect that a measure of your chamber dimensions (Maximum Case Capacity, overflow) would bring the projections right in line with your observations. Good stuff. I may have to rework my own .284 to bring it into line with my .280.
Code:
Cartridge : .284 Win.
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler Accubond LR 58734 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 57.239 grain H2O = 3.716 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.956 inch = 75.08 mm
Barrel Length : 28.0 inch = 711.2 mm
Powder : IMR 4350
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 82 42.80 2481 2050 34054 6917 93.4 1.644
-18.0 84 43.87 2538 2145 36320 7106 94.3 1.602
-16.0 86 44.94 2594 2242 38718 7288 95.3 1.558
-14.0 88 46.01 2651 2341 41245 7460 96.1 1.513
-12.0 90 47.08 2708 2442 43927 7624 96.8 1.470
-10.0 92 48.15 2764 2544 46780 7778 97.5 1.429
-08.0 94 49.22 2820 2648 49818 7921 98.1 1.389
-06.0 96 50.29 2875 2753 53052 8054 98.6 1.351
-04.0 98 51.36 2931 2860 56498 8175 99.1 1.314 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 100 52.43 2985 2969 60172 8284 99.4 1.278 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 53.50 3040 3078 64091 8380 99.7 1.244 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 104 54.57 3094 3189 68277 8464 99.9 1.211 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 55.64 3148 3301 72751 8534 100.0 1.179 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 108 56.71 3201 3413 77538 8590 100.0 1.148 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 110 57.78 3254 3527 82666 8639 100.0 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 58.85 3307 3642 88167 8686 100.0 1.090 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 53.50 3146 3296 75259 8063 100.0 1.167 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 53.50 2887 2777 53120 8382 96.0 1.346I suspect that a measure of your chamber dimensions (Maximum Case Capacity, overflow) would bring the projections right in line with your observations. Good stuff. I may have to rework my own .284 to bring it into line with my .280.
DrMike: that was like looking at a mirror of the velocities we experienced. I hit 3201 at 55gr I believe. The compressed 56gr load didn't yield much increase. I think people are overlooking this combo because they're fixated on the heavier bullets. The optimal bullet in my mind is the lightest bullet with a bc closest to .60. This one may not stay at .611 but I bet it's not far from there. I'll run some more at 54.5 gr or 3100 somethin for 100 rounds and try to find accuracy while breaking her in. Thank you very much for posting that info. It's just another confirmation that we are onto something here. Nosler made it possible with this bullet.
