30-06 info

[stew]

Got some 180 gr Nosler Partition protected points to try in the 30-06
Tried 3 powders I have so far in order the best was 56 gr of Imr 4831
then 59gr of 7828ssc then 55gr of H4350
Shooting a Remington model 700 24inch barrel with a COAL of 3.330
CCI 200 primers and Remington brass.
Im leaning towards IMR 4831 and 7828 for those are the 2 powders I have most of.
Was wondering if any one could show some quick load data for those powders.
Thanks for your time

 

[RiverRider]

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 180, Nosler PART PP 25396
Useable Case Capaci: 61.912 grain H2O = 4.020 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.9 inch = 607.1 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

65 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 86%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26                 108.5     66.5     4.31    2968   100.0    60000   11172   1.135  
Norma MRP                          109.0     64.9     4.21    2931    98.9    60000   11143   1.139  
Vihtavuori N560                    110.5     64.5     4.18    2907    95.7    60000   11178   1.139  
Accurate MAGPRO                    110.9     67.3     4.36    2895    94.1    60000   11164   1.143  
Alliant Reloder-22                 110.9     64.0     4.15    2895    97.7    60000   10866   1.143  
Alliant Reloder-17                  96.5     57.7     3.74    2881   100.0    60000    9744   1.144  
IMR 7828 SSC                       108.6     63.7     4.12    2879    96.0    60000   10771   1.136  
Ramshot Magnum                     110.0     68.4     4.43    2855    98.0    60000   10348   1.139  
Ramshot Hunter                     102.5     60.4     3.92    2852    99.4    60000   10117   1.151  
Alliant Reloder-19                 107.0     61.1     3.96    2846    97.5    60000   10304   1.147  
Winchester 760                      96.8     58.4     3.79    2845    98.8    60000   10096   1.155  
Hodgdon H414                        96.8     58.4     3.79    2845    98.8    60000   10096   1.155  
Winchester WXR                     112.0     63.2     4.10    2839    96.9    56375   10719   1.176  
Alliant Reloder-23                 112.0     62.5     4.05    2836   100.0    56049    9949   1.179  
Norma URP                          102.0     57.6     3.73    2836    99.9    60000    9733   1.159  
Vihtavuori N550                     99.1     57.8     3.74    2834    99.9    60000    9853   1.164  
Accurate 4350                      101.4     57.9     3.75    2833    99.9    60000    9715   1.174  
Norma 204                          101.4     59.7     3.87    2820    97.2    60000   10003   1.149  
IMR 4831                           107.1     58.5     3.79    2818   100.0    60000    9524   1.167  
Ramshot Big Game                    92.2     56.0     3.63    2809   100.0    60000    9255   1.160  
Accurate 3100                      110.9     63.3     4.10    2809    99.3    60000    9697   1.176  
Hodgdon CFE223                      87.0     55.3     3.59    2809   100.0    60000    9227   1.161  
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   107.9     62.3     4.03    2808    95.2    60000   10009   1.147  
IMR 4895                            91.7     52.4     3.39    2803   100.0    60000    9259   1.168  
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                104.8     57.9     3.75    2800   100.0    60000    8950   1.158  
Hodgdon H4831                      112.0     62.1     4.03    2800    95.0    59468    9986   1.152  
IMR 7828                           112.0     62.1     4.03    2798    94.8    54793   10525   1.183  
Winchester Supreme 780             105.3     63.4     4.11    2796    97.2    60000    9743   1.152  
Alliant Reloder-15                  92.6     52.8     3.42    2795   100.0    60000    9231   1.169  
Norma 203B                          93.0     53.1     3.44    2793   100.0    60000    9155   1.170  
Hodgdon H380                        93.9     54.8     3.55    2787    99.8    60000    9357   1.172  
Hodgdon BL-C2                       87.5     54.5     3.53    2787   100.0    60000    9027   1.173  
Norma 203 old                       94.5     54.5     3.53    2786   100.0    60000    9019   1.182  
Hodgdon H4350                      104.0     58.1     3.76    2782    98.2    60000    9490   1.158  
IMR 4350                           102.1     57.9     3.75    2782    98.3    60000    9475   1.158  
Ramshot Wild Boar                   87.9     53.6     3.47    2779   100.0    60000    9016   1.165  
IMR 4320                            94.5     53.1     3.44    2779   100.0    60000    8893   1.155  
Alliant Reloder-25                 112.0     63.6     4.12    2779    98.9    50788   10565   1.223
Hodgdon H4895                       89.3     50.9     3.30    2777   100.0    60000    8930   1.170  
Vihtavuori N165                    112.0     63.2     4.10    2773    97.6    58343    9563   1.170  
IMR 4007 SSC                        95.6     55.3     3.58    2760    98.3    60000    9341   1.170  
Ramshot TAC                         87.9     54.1     3.50    2760    99.6    60000    9134   1.166  
Hodgdon VARGET                      95.2     52.6     3.41    2760   100.0    60000    8903   1.160  
Vihtavuori N160                    112.0     61.3     3.97    2757    95.8    59329    9465   1.163

 

[stew]

Thanks River rider
Sorry to be a bother but is there any way to break it down just for IMR 4831, and 7828ssc
those will be the ones I will be using.
Thanks for your time

 

[RaySendero]

Got some 180 gr Nosler Partition protected points to try in the 30-06
Tried 3 powders I have so far in order the best was 56 gr of Imr 4831
then 59gr of 7828ssc then 55gr of H4350
Shooting a Remington model 700 24inch barrel with a COAL of 3.330
CCI 200 primers and Remington brass.
Im leaning towards IMR 4831 and 7828 for those are the 2 powders I have most of.
Was wondering if any one could show some quick load data for those powders.
Thanks for your time

stew,

Anyone of the 4350s would be a better choice for full power 180/30-06 reload.
Tell me again why you want to use the other 2?

 

[stew]

Got some 180 gr Nosler Partition protected points to try in the 30-06
Tried 3 powders I have so far in order the best was 56 gr of Imr 4831
then 59gr of 7828ssc then 55gr of H4350
Shooting a Remington model 700 24inch barrel with a COAL of 3.330
CCI 200 primers and Remington brass.
Im leaning towards IMR 4831 and 7828 for those are the 2 powders I have most of.
Was wondering if any one could show some quick load data for those powders.
Thanks for your time

stew,

Anyone of the 4350s would be a better choice for full power 180/30-06 reload.
Tell me again why you want to use the other 2?

Hey Ray
I have used IMR 4831 with the Speer 180 gr BTSP for years with good results.
I am open to the H4350 as well and would like to see the data for it as well with the Nosler. Its just I have more IMR 4831 and 7828ssc on hand then the H4350 and trying to save it for the 280 and 7mm-08. Plus the little bit of testing I have done should better groups with the other 2 powders so far.
Thanks

 

[RiverRider]

It looks as though you couldn't possibly get enough 7828 in a .30-06 case to get into trouble.

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 180, Nosler PART PP 25396
Useable Case Capaci: 61.419 grain H2O = 3.988 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.9 inch = 607.1 mm
Powder             : IMR 7828 SSC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.111% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-01.1  102    59.34   2664    2838   47511  10009     92.3    1.263
-01.0  102    59.40   2668    2845   47693  10022     92.4    1.261
-00.9  102    59.47   2671    2852   47875  10035     92.5    1.259
-00.8  102    59.54   2675    2860   48059  10048     92.5    1.256
-00.7  102    59.60   2678    2867   48244  10061     92.6    1.254
-00.6  103    59.67   2682    2875   48430  10074     92.7    1.252
-00.4  103    59.73   2685    2882   48616  10087     92.7    1.250
-00.3  103    59.80   2689    2889   48804  10100     92.8    1.248
-00.2  103    59.87   2692    2897   48993  10113     92.9    1.245
-00.1  103    59.93   2696    2904   49182  10125     92.9    1.243
+00.0  103    60.00   2699    2912   49372  10138     93.0    1.241
+00.1  103    60.07   2703    2919   49563  10151     93.1    1.239
+00.2  103    60.13   2706    2927   49754  10163     93.1    1.237
+00.3  104    60.20   2710    2934   49947  10176     93.2    1.234
+00.4  104    60.27   2713    2942   50139  10188     93.3    1.232
+00.6  104    60.33   2717    2950   50334  10201     93.3    1.230

 

[RiverRider]

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 180, Nosler PART PP 25396
Useable Case Capaci: 61.419 grain H2O = 3.988 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.9 inch = 607.1 mm
Powder             : IMR 4831

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.114% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-01.1  106    57.34   2773    3074   56938   9410     99.8    1.194  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  106    57.40   2776    3080   57156   9415     99.9    1.192  ! Near Maximum !
-00.9  106    57.47   2779    3087   57375   9421     99.9    1.190  ! Near Maximum !
-00.8  106    57.54   2782    3094   57595   9426     99.9    1.188  ! Near Maximum !
-00.7  106    57.60   2785    3101   57815   9431     99.9    1.186  ! Near Maximum !
-00.6  106    57.67   2788    3107   58037   9436     99.9    1.184  ! Near Maximum !
-00.5  106    57.73   2791    3114   58259   9441     99.9    1.182  ! Near Maximum !
-00.3  107    57.80   2794    3121   58482   9446     99.9    1.180  ! Near Maximum !
-00.2  107    57.87   2797    3128   58706   9451     99.9    1.178  ! Near Maximum !
-00.1  107    57.93   2800    3135   58931   9456     99.9    1.176  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  107    58.00   2804    3141   59157   9461     99.9    1.174  ! Near Maximum !
+00.1  107    58.07   2807    3148   59383   9466     99.9    1.172  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.2  107    58.13   2810    3155   59611   9470     99.9    1.170  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.3  107    58.20   2813    3162   59840   9475     99.9    1.168  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.5  107    58.27   2816    3169   60069   9480    100.0    1.166  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.6  108    58.33   2819    3175   60299   9484    100.0    1.164  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

 

[RiverRider]

I personally have no fear of pushing the .30-06 beyond SAAMI pressure specs, but you might possibly get into trouble with IMR4831.

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 180, Nosler PART PP 25396
Useable Case Capaci: 61.419 grain H2O = 3.988 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.9 inch = 607.1 mm
Powder             : IMR 4831

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.112% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-01.1  108    58.34   2819    3176   60318   9485    100.0    1.164  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-01.0  108    58.40   2822    3183   60549   9489    100.0    1.162  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.9  108    58.47   2825    3190   60781   9494    100.0    1.160  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.8  108    58.54   2828    3197   61015   9498    100.0    1.159  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.7  108    58.60   2831    3203   61249   9502    100.0    1.157  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.6  108    58.67   2834    3210   61484   9506    100.0    1.155  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.4  108    58.73   2837    3217   61720   9511    100.0    1.153  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.3  108    58.80   2840    3224   61957   9515    100.0    1.151  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.2  109    58.87   2843    3231   62195   9519    100.0    1.149  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.1  109    58.93   2846    3238   62434   9523    100.0    1.147  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0  109    59.00   2849    3244   62674   9527    100.0    1.145  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.1  109    59.07   2852    3251   62915   9531    100.0    1.143  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.2  109    59.13   2855    3258   63157   9534    100.0    1.141  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.3  109    59.20   2858    3265   63400   9538    100.0    1.139  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.4  109    59.27   2861    3272   63644   9542    100.0    1.137  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.6  109    59.33   2864    3279   63889   9545    100.0    1.135  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 180, Nosler PART PP 25396
Useable Case Capaci: 61.419 grain H2O = 3.988 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.9 inch = 607.1 mm
Powder             : IMR 4831

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.111% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-01.1  109    59.34   2864    3279   63908   9546    100.0    1.135  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-01.0  110    59.40   2867    3286   64154   9549    100.0    1.133  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.9  110    59.47   2870    3293   64401   9553    100.0    1.132  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.8  110    59.54   2873    3300   64649   9557    100.0    1.130  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.7  110    59.60   2876    3307   64898   9560    100.0    1.128  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.6  110    59.67   2879    3314   65148   9564    100.0    1.126  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.4  110    59.73   2882    3321   65399   9567    100.0    1.124  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.3  110    59.80   2885    3328   65651   9571    100.0    1.122  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.2  110    59.87   2888    3335   65904   9574    100.0    1.120  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.1  111    59.93   2891    3342   66158   9578    100.0    1.118  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0  111    60.00   2894    3348   66413   9581    100.0    1.117  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.1  111    60.07   2897    3355   66669   9584    100.0    1.115  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.2  111    60.13   2900    3362   66927   9588    100.0    1.113  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.3  111    60.20   2903    3369   67185   9591    100.0    1.111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.4  111    60.27   2906    3376   67444   9595    100.0    1.109  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.6  111    60.33   2909    3383   67705   9598    100.0    1.107  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

 

[rodell]

I use 55 grains of IMR 4451 (very similar to 4350's) with 180 grain Accubonds. It is a great load doesn't copper up.

56.5 grains with the 150 Partitions is a good lighter weight oad.

 

[RiverRider]

A little unsolicited advice...you won't get a good burn with 7828 and your velocity spreads are likely going to be all over the place. Smokeless powder is meant to operate at certain pressures and when pressures are low, performance generally suffers. Using a burn rate that's too slow can even be dangerous, and the risk of ringing the barrel is always there.

I currently am working on a .30-06 with 180 Partitions myself, and if I had H4350 on hand, that's what I'd be using. Unfortunately, it seems to be generally unavailable.

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 180, Nosler PART PP 25396
Useable Case Capaci: 61.419 grain H2O = 3.988 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.9 inch = 607.1 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon H4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.115% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-01.1  103    57.14   2750    3023   58045   9359     97.9    1.175  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  103    57.20   2753    3029   58257   9368     97.9    1.173  ! Near Maximum !
-00.9  103    57.27   2756    3036   58470   9376     97.9    1.171  ! Near Maximum !
-00.8  104    57.34   2759    3043   58684   9385     98.0    1.169  ! Near Maximum !
-00.7  104    57.40   2762    3050   58898   9394     98.0    1.167  ! Near Maximum !
-00.6  104    57.47   2765    3056   59114   9402     98.0    1.165  ! Near Maximum !
-00.5  104    57.53   2768    3063   59330   9410     98.1    1.164  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.3  104    57.60   2771    3070   59547   9419     98.1    1.162  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.2  104    57.67   2775    3077   59765   9427     98.1    1.160  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-00.1  104    57.73   2778    3084   59984   9435     98.2    1.158  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0  104    57.80   2781    3090   60203   9444     98.2    1.156  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.1  104    57.87   2784    3097   60424   9452     98.2    1.154  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.2  105    57.93   2787    3104   60645   9460     98.3    1.152  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.3  105    58.00   2790    3111   60867   9468     98.3    1.151  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.5  105    58.07   2793    3118   61090   9476     98.3    1.149  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.6  105    58.13   2796    3124   61314   9484     98.3    1.147  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

 

[preacher]

56-57 gr IMR 4350 work wonderfully with the 180. I prefer 57gr myself. I also prefer H4350 and then you are looking at 57-57,5, with a standard primer of course. IMR 4831 will work, yes, but as mentiuoned, be very watchful for early pressure signs. 7828 will 'work but is "better with 200+gr bullets. I like R15 for that over 7828. R22 is also another great powder for 200+ bullets. Just enjoy yourself, but be careful and you will do fine!

 

[RiverRider]

You can sooner get in trouble with the 4350s than the 4831s, but the potential is there with both.

 

[stew]

Thanks for the info guys, I loaded up a few more with the IMR 4831 at 56 gr and will see how it groups again for it was the best accuracy so far.
I have the IMR 7828ssc for the 338 and 7mm mag , the Nosler site showed a load for it with the 180 gr bullet in the 30-06 and have a bit of it so this is why I tried it, it did fairly well. I have the least of the H4350 and only got to 55 gr so looks like I could go higher and it may help the accuracy for as of now it was the worst but was trying to save it for the 280 and 7mm-08. I am on a list for more H4350 when it shows up so
can try more then when/if it arrives.
River rider would be interested how your load tests go with this bullet when you finish.
Thanks

 

[Guy Miner]

Stew, although I prefer H4350 for the .30-06 & 180's, I've used IMR 4831 with complete satisfaction. Good groups and reasonable velocity.

Good enough for me!

You ought to be able to scoot that 180 out at around 2700 - 2800 fps with good accuracy using your 4831. That's typical .30-06 performance, and good enough for most anything walking North America I'd suspect.

I never tried 7828 in the .30-06, though I used it in a couple of different magnum cartridges.

Regards, Guy

 

[HeathSexton]

I'm an H4831 man myself. 59-60grs with a 180 gets me 2737fps, excellent accuracy and low spreads. I've read many places that you can't get enough H4831 in an /06 case to get in trouble.


I use 4350 but not in my /06's.

 

[Guy Miner]

Nice group Heath!

 

[DrMike]

That group will do, Heath.

 

[salmonchaser]

Done, now get ready to fill a few tags


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[HeathSexton]

Thanks guys


I've shot this load for years, it's a slammer on our TN whitetails


And shooting like that from a Ruger.....everyone knows Rugers aren't accurate........

 

[Guy Miner]

Bwa Ha Ha!

From Tennessee and has a sense of humor! Too Cool!

Rugers shoot very well anymore.

Guy