.30 cal.165 gr. NOS. BT and AB ?

[RAY]

I've been stocking up on these pills , when finding an accurate load with the BTs, will the ABs have the same POI ?
These come with a load data card from the # 7 manual , but the card doesn't give the most accurate from the manual .
H 4350 , W 760 and RL 22 is listed .
I found that odd !

I do have some H 4350 and H 414

Thanks !

 

[SJB358]

It may or may not shoot the same. Trying it is the only way to know.

4350, 17, and a slew of others will make accurate ammo for you. You've picked a good combo.

 

[Charlie-NY]

What cartridge are you intending to load for?

 

[DrMike]

Will the ABs have the same POI ?

Not necessarily

These come with a load data card from the # 7 manual , but the card doesn't give the most accurate from the manual .
H 4350 , W 760 and RL 22 is listed .
I found that odd !

What did you find odd? Thought I'm not familiar with an insert in my boxes of Nosler bullets, H4350 gives the lowest standard deviation in the 30-06 during Nosler's tests. W760 and RL22 are other good propellants. Purchase a copy of the Reloading Guide for definitive information, or peruse the web site to see what is listed.

 

[RAY]

What cartridge are you intending to load for?

30-06 Mr. Charlie

 

[RAY]

It may or may not shoot the same. Trying it is the only way to know.

4350, 17, and a slew of others will make accurate ammo for you. You've picked a good combo.

Well maybe a rezero after load development. ????

 

[JD338]

As mentioned, they may or may not shoot to the same POI.
Either way, you can't loose with that combo.

JD338

 

[RAY]

Will the ABs have the same POI ?

Not necessarily

These come with a load data card from the # 7 manual , but the card doesn't give the most accurate from the manual .
H 4350 , W 760 and RL 22 is listed .
I found that odd !

What did you find odd? Thought I'm not familiar with an insert in my boxes of Nosler bullets, H4350 gives the lowest standard deviation in the 30-06 during Nosler's tests. W760 and RL22 are other good propellants. Purchase a copy of the Reloading Guide for definitive information, or peruse the web site to see what is listed.

OK , IMR 4350 is the load high lighted, for the 3006 165 gr.
The card doesn't have the high lighted data . I forget that all data shows most accurate loads.

I will have to check out what your saying about the low sd with H4350

 

[DrMike]

My bad, Ray. IMR4350 is listed as the powder delivering the lowest standard deviation. Accuracy loads only speak of those that under the conditions of test delivered the lowest standard deviation. That doesn't mean that your loading will make that the most accurate load. It is, however, an excellent place to begin your search. Still, you can often get just as much accuracy from other powders in your own firing system.

 

[Guy Miner]

I don't know when I started using 4350 in the .30-06... I'd guess around 1970 or so as a teenager. As I recall I used only IMR4350 then. Somewhere along the line I started using mostly H4350. For a while I was convinced H beat IMR... Not so sure anymore.

H4350, good 165 gr bullets and the .30-06 surely do go well together. Velocity and accuracy.

Ray, I don't know if you'll see a different point of impact or not... Or at least maybe not one big enough to worry about. I can swap back and forth between a couple of different 165 gr loads without adjusting my scope at all. Haven't tried the AccuBond yet. With the way the Ballistic Tip and the Partition perform, I simply haven't needed to do so!

Do have some 168 gr E-Tips to try. Am hoping they'll hit pretty close to the same POI as my standard 165 gr Ballistic Tip ammo. We will see!

Regards, Guy

 

[RAY]

I don't know when I started using 4350 in the .30-06... I'd guess around 1970 or so as a teenager. As I recall I used only IMR4350 then. Somewhere along the line I started using mostly H4350. For a while I was convinced H beat IMR... Not so sure anymore.

H4350, good 165 gr bullets and the .30-06 surely do go well together. Velocity and accuracy.

Ray, I don't know if you'll see a different point of impact or not... Or at least maybe not one big enough to worry about. I can swap back and forth between a couple of different 165 gr loads without adjusting my scope at all. Haven't tried the AccuBond yet. With the way the Ballistic Tip and the Partition perform, I simply haven't needed to do so!

Do have some 168 gr E-Tips to try. Am hoping they'll hit pretty close to the same POI as my standard 165 gr Ballistic Tip ammo. We will see!

Regards, Guy

it seems like this combo is like magic , no matter what rifle you shoot in .
I started a thread when I first came aboard about everyone's load data and this seems like a winner.

I have read that good cases and bullets matter the most , I don't how true that is.
Can you fine tune any powder suitable for caliber and weight to be" lights out "?

 

[SJB358]

I have read that good cases and bullets matter the most , I don't how true that is.
Can you fine tune any powder suitable for caliber and weight to be" lights out "?

I believe you can do it. Sometimes a certain powder just won't perk, but very seldom if it is matched to the cartridge and bullet.

 

[Guybo]

I've had good luck over the years with imr4350 and 165gr bullets in the 30.06 but tend to use more imr4064 now a days with the 165gr bullet. The imr4064 has proven to be just a tad more accurate in my rifle.
I haven't had to change my scope at all when going from one bullet manufacturer to another as long as im using the same bullet weight and style.
I think the POI would be affected more if going to a different style bullet like moving from a soft point spitzer to a ballistic tip boattail even if it is the same weight but i've never tried it to see. I'd shoot them as that's the only way to really know for sure.

 

[RAY]

I've had good luck over the years with imr4350 and 165gr bullets in the 30.06 but tend to use more imr4064 now a days with the 165gr bullet. The imr4064 has proven to be just a tad more accurate in my rifle.
I haven't had to change my scope at all when going from one bullet manufacturer to another as long as im using the same bullet weight and style.
I think the POI would be affected more if going to a different style bullet like moving from a soft point spitzer to a ballistic tip boattail even if it is the same weight but i've never tried it to see. I'd shoot them as that's the only way to really know for sure.

Shooting factory ammo, I know that a 150 gr scirocco and a 150 gr interlock will be about 5" apart from one another being on the same windage with my rifle.
One being a tip boattail and a soft point.

 

[Oldtrader3]

I have a .30-06 and shoot both bullets in it. They don't shoot into the same group in my rifle. The AB is longer that the BT. Both shoot under MOA in my Model 70 but the BT is more accurate. I use 57.5 grains of IMR 4350 and a Fed 215M primer. I get about 2860 fps or so from the BT and a little more from the AB, because it is longer.

 

[RAY]

I have a .30-06 and shoot both bullets in it. They don't shoot into the same group in my rifle. The AB is longer that the BT. Both shoot under MOA in my Model 70 but the BT is more accurate. I use 57.5 grains of IMR 4350 and a Fed 215M primer. I get about 2860 fps or so from the BT and a little more from the AB, because it is longer.

Your right , I looked at the oal length , AB 165 gr. is 1.308 and the BT is 1.290 " =.018" difference but have the same weight . I wonder if there is a difference in ogives ?
I'll have to check it out .