300 Savage loads.

[Stillhunter]

Just picked up a 1957 , 99. 300 Savage. I have Etip 150 and Hornady 150 interlocks, 165 Sierra go. I have Tac, Blc-2, 3130, Re 15.
Read in bandleader magzine of Tac with 125 it's giving high velocity, and Re 15 fast with 165s.
Any advice/wisdom on this. Seems some of the newer powders might be speedier that some older stand by's in the load books. The books don't seem to update this cartridge with newer powders.
Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

 

[DrMike]

As with any of the older rifles, I'm inclined to treat them with respect. Hot rodding won't gain you all that much velocity. Here is some data that may be helpful.

Cartridge          : .300 Savage
Bullet             : .308, 165, Sierra SPBT 2145 G7 Litz
Useable Case Capaci: 44.578 grain H2O = 2.894 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   91    37.35   2342    2009   38007   7057     92.7    1.327
-09.0   92    37.77   2367    2053   39216   7145     93.2    1.308
-08.0   93    38.18   2393    2098   40464   7231     93.7    1.289
-07.0   94    38.60   2419    2143   41752   7315     94.1    1.271
-06.0   95    39.01   2444    2189   43082   7397     94.6    1.253
-05.0   96    39.43   2470    2235   44457   7478     95.0    1.235
-04.0   97    39.84   2496    2282   45876   7556     95.4    1.217  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   98    40.26   2521    2329   47343   7632     95.8    1.200  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   99    40.67   2547    2377   48858   7707     96.2    1.183  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  100    41.09   2573    2425   50424   7779     96.5    1.167  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  101    41.50   2598    2473   52043   7848     96.9    1.150  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  102    41.92   2624    2522   53717   7916     97.2    1.135  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  103    42.33   2649    2572   55447   7981     97.5    1.119  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  104    42.75   2675    2621   57237   8043     97.8    1.103  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  105    43.16   2700    2672   59088   8103     98.1    1.088  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  106    43.58   2726    2722   61004   8160     98.3    1.073  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    101    41.50   2725    2720   62433   7777     99.8    1.067  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    101    41.50   2432    2167   42063   7540     90.1    1.259


Cartridge          : .300 Savage
Bullet             : .308, 165, Sierra SPBT 2145 G7 Litz
Useable Case Capaci: 44.578 grain H2O = 2.894 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon BL-C2

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   86    38.70   2351    2024   37401   7138     94.9    1.330
-09.0   87    39.13   2377    2069   38656   7221     95.4    1.310
-08.0   88    39.56   2403    2115   39956   7303     95.8    1.291
-07.0   89    39.99   2429    2161   41306   7381     96.2    1.272
-06.0   90    40.42   2455    2208   42699   7458     96.6    1.253
-05.0   91    40.85   2481    2255   44135   7532     97.0    1.234
-04.0   92    41.28   2507    2303   45617   7603     97.3    1.216  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   93    41.71   2533    2351   47147   7672     97.6    1.199  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   94    42.14   2559    2400   48731   7739     97.9    1.181  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   95    42.57   2585    2449   50372   7802     98.2    1.164  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   96    43.00   2611    2498   52073   7863     98.5    1.147  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   97    43.43   2637    2548   53835   7921     98.7    1.131  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0   98    43.86   2663    2598   55662   7975     99.0    1.114  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0   99    44.29   2689    2649   57557   8027     99.2    1.098  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  100    44.72   2715    2700   59523   8076     99.3    1.083  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  101    45.15   2741    2752   61562   8121     99.5    1.067  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     96    43.00   2733    2737   63158   7645    100.0    1.062  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     96    43.00   2444    2188   41578   7658     92.5    1.259


artridge          : .300 Savage
Bullet             : .308, 165, Sierra SPBT 2145 G7 Litz
Useable Case Capaci: 44.578 grain H2O = 2.894 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : IMR 3031

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   91    35.01   2382    2078   37967   6875     99.3    1.311
-09.0   92    35.40   2406    2120   39155   6928     99.5    1.293
-08.0   93    35.79   2429    2163   40411   6978     99.7    1.275
-07.0   94    36.18   2453    2205   41694   7024     99.8    1.257
-06.0   95    36.57   2477    2248   43017   7068     99.9    1.240
-05.0   96    36.96   2500    2290   44387   7109     99.9    1.223
-04.0   97    37.34   2524    2333   45800   7146    100.0    1.206  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   98    37.73   2547    2377   47260   7180    100.0    1.190  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   99    38.12   2570    2420   48770   7212    100.0    1.174  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  100    38.51   2593    2463   50331   7243    100.0    1.158  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  101    38.90   2616    2507   51944   7274    100.0    1.143  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  102    39.29   2638    2551   53607   7304    100.0    1.127  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  103    39.68   2661    2594   55318   7334    100.0    1.113  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  104    40.07   2684    2638   57078   7363    100.0    1.098  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  105    40.46   2706    2683   58894   7392    100.0    1.083  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  106    40.85   2728    2727   60769   7420    100.0    1.069  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    101    38.90   2707    2684   63180   6947    100.0    1.063  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    101    38.90   2475    2245   41568   7521     98.0    1.249



Cartridge          : .300 Savage
Bullet             : .308, 165, Sierra SPBT 2145 G7 Litz
Useable Case Capaci: 44.578 grain H2O = 2.894 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Ramshot TAC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   85    37.80   2289    1920   38325   6654     89.8    1.331
-09.0   86    38.22   2314    1962   39511   6743     90.3    1.312
-08.0   87    38.64   2339    2004   40734   6831     90.8    1.293
-07.0   88    39.06   2364    2047   41996   6918     91.3    1.276
-06.0   89    39.48   2389    2091   43299   7003     91.8    1.258
-05.0   90    39.90   2414    2135   44643   7087     92.3    1.240
-04.0   91    40.32   2439    2179   46031   7169     92.7    1.223  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   92    40.74   2464    2224   47464   7250     93.2    1.206  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   93    41.16   2489    2270   48943   7330     93.6    1.190  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   94    41.58   2514    2316   50471   7408     94.0    1.173  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   95    42.00   2539    2362   52050   7484     94.4    1.157  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   96    42.42   2564    2409   53681   7559     94.8    1.142  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0   97    42.84   2589    2456   55366   7631     95.2    1.126  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0   98    43.26   2614    2504   57108   7702     95.6    1.111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0   99    43.68   2639    2552   58910   7772     95.9    1.096  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  100    44.10   2664    2601   60773   7839     96.2    1.081  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     95    42.00   2664    2601   61287   7590     98.7    1.079  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     95    42.00   2382    2078   43186   7083     87.1    1.258

 

[DrMike]

I doubt that I'd use the E-Tips with that particular rifle. However, the Interlocks should be ideal for the old warhorse.

Cartridge          : .300 Savage
Bullet             : .308, 150, Hornady InterBond 30309
Useable Case Capaci: 42.910 grain H2O = 2.786 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Ramshot TAC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   88    37.71   2358    1852   37914   6365     87.2    1.284
-09.0   89    38.13   2384    1894   39125   6454     87.7    1.266
-08.0   90    38.55   2411    1936   40377   6542     88.3    1.248
-07.0   91    38.97   2437    1979   41672   6630     88.8    1.229
-06.0   92    39.39   2464    2022   43011   6716     89.4    1.212
-05.0   93    39.81   2491    2066   44396   6800     89.9    1.195
-04.0   94    40.22   2517    2110   45829   6884     90.4    1.178  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   95    40.64   2544    2155   47311   6966     90.9    1.161  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   96    41.06   2571    2201   48846   7047     91.4    1.144  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   97    41.48   2597    2247   50435   7127     91.9    1.128  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   98    41.90   2624    2294   52081   7204     92.4    1.112  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   99    42.32   2651    2341   53785   7281     92.8    1.097  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  100    42.74   2678    2389   55551   7356     93.3    1.081  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  101    43.16   2705    2437   57381   7428     93.7    1.066  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  102    43.58   2732    2486   59279   7500     94.1    1.051  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  103    44.00   2759    2535   61247   7569     94.5    1.037  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     98    41.90   2763    2543   61586   7392     97.5    1.035  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     98    41.90   2454    2005   43027   6744     84.4    1.212



Cartridge          : .300 Savage
Bullet             : .308, 150, Hornady InterBond 30309
Useable Case Capaci: 42.910 grain H2O = 2.786 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : IMR 3031

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   95    35.19   2474    2038   37665   6792     98.3    1.258
-09.0   96    35.58   2500    2081   38889   6852     98.6    1.240
-08.0   97    35.97   2526    2125   40155   6909     98.8    1.222
-07.0   98    36.36   2552    2169   41465   6963     99.1    1.204
-06.0   99    36.75   2577    2213   42820   7014     99.3    1.187
-05.0  100    37.15   2603    2257   44222   7061     99.5    1.170
-04.0  102    37.54   2629    2302   45673   7106     99.6    1.154  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  103    37.93   2654    2346   47176   7147     99.7    1.137  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  104    38.32   2680    2392   48731   7186     99.8    1.122  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  105    38.71   2705    2437   50343   7220     99.9    1.106  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  106    39.10   2730    2483   52010   7252    100.0    1.091  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  107    39.49   2755    2528   53741   7280    100.0    1.075  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  108    39.88   2780    2574   55533   7304    100.0    1.061  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  109    40.27   2805    2620   57392   7328    100.0    1.046  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  110    40.66   2830    2667   59318   7351    100.0    1.032  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  111    41.06   2854    2713   61321   7373    100.0    1.018  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    106    39.10   2836    2680   63774   6892    100.0    1.012  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    106    39.10   2569    2198   41752   7367     96.5    1.195



Cartridge          : .300 Savage
Bullet             : .308, 150, Hornady InterBond 30309
Useable Case Capaci: 42.910 grain H2O = 2.786 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : IMR 3031

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   95    35.19   2474    2038   37665   6792     98.3    1.258
-09.0   96    35.58   2500    2081   38889   6852     98.6    1.240
-08.0   97    35.97   2526    2125   40155   6909     98.8    1.222
-07.0   98    36.36   2552    2169   41465   6963     99.1    1.204
-06.0   99    36.75   2577    2213   42820   7014     99.3    1.187
-05.0  100    37.15   2603    2257   44222   7061     99.5    1.170
-04.0  102    37.54   2629    2302   45673   7106     99.6    1.154  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  103    37.93   2654    2346   47176   7147     99.7    1.137  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  104    38.32   2680    2392   48731   7186     99.8    1.122  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  105    38.71   2705    2437   50343   7220     99.9    1.106  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  106    39.10   2730    2483   52010   7252    100.0    1.091  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  107    39.49   2755    2528   53741   7280    100.0    1.075  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  108    39.88   2780    2574   55533   7304    100.0    1.061  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  109    40.27   2805    2620   57392   7328    100.0    1.046  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  110    40.66   2830    2667   59318   7351    100.0    1.032  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  111    41.06   2854    2713   61321   7373    100.0    1.018  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    106    39.10   2836    2680   63774   6892    100.0    1.012  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    106    39.10   2569    2198   41752   7367     96.5    1.195



Cartridge          : .300 Savage
Bullet             : .308, 150, Hornady InterBond 30309
Useable Case Capaci: 42.910 grain H2O = 2.786 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   94    37.35   2415    1942   37345   6795     90.3    1.281
-09.0   95    37.77   2442    1987   38594   6885     90.8    1.261
-08.0   97    38.18   2470    2032   39888   6973     91.4    1.242
-07.0   98    38.60   2497    2077   41225   7060     91.9    1.224
-06.0   99    39.01   2525    2123   42603   7146     92.4    1.206
-05.0  100    39.43   2552    2170   44024   7229     92.9    1.188
-04.0  101    39.84   2580    2217   45490   7310     93.4    1.171  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  102    40.26   2607    2264   47008   7390     93.9    1.154  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  103    40.67   2635    2313   48581   7468     94.3    1.137  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  104    41.09   2663    2361   50211   7543     94.7    1.121  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  105    41.50   2690    2411   51900   7617     95.2    1.105  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  106    41.92   2718    2460   53651   7688     95.6    1.089  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  107    42.33   2746    2511   55466   7757     96.0    1.073  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  108    42.75   2773    2561   57350   7823     96.3    1.058  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  109    43.16   2801    2613   59304   7887     96.7    1.042  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  110    43.58   2829    2665   61332   7948     97.0    1.027  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    105    41.50   2833    2673   62647   7653     99.2    1.022  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    105    41.50   2507    2094   41711   7220     87.5    1.212

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge          : .300 Savage
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler E-Tip 59378
Useable Case Capaci: 42.204 grain H2O = 2.740 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   94    36.72   2402    1921   37758   6651     90.1    1.273
-09.0   95    37.13   2429    1965   38986   6739     90.6    1.256
-08.0   96    37.54   2456    2009   40257   6826     91.2    1.239
-07.0   98    37.94   2483    2053   41576   6911     91.7    1.223
-06.0   99    38.35   2510    2098   42937   6995     92.2    1.207
-05.0  100    38.76   2537    2144   44339   7077     92.7    1.191
-04.0  101    39.17   2564    2190   45786   7157     93.2    1.174  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  102    39.58   2591    2236   47278   7236     93.6    1.157  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  103    39.98   2618    2283   48821   7312     94.1    1.141  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  104    40.39   2646    2331   50419   7387     94.5    1.125  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  105    40.80   2673    2379   52075   7459     94.9    1.108  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  106    41.21   2700    2428   53793   7530     95.3    1.093  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  107    41.62   2727    2477   55574   7598     95.7    1.077  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  108    42.02   2755    2527   57421   7664     96.1    1.062  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  109    42.43   2782    2578   59338   7728     96.4    1.047  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  110    42.84   2809    2629   61327   7789     96.8    1.032  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    105    40.80   2815    2639   62637   7509     99.1    1.027  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    105    40.80   2492    2069   42031   7062     87.2    1.211



Cartridge          : .300 Savage
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler E-Tip 59378
Useable Case Capaci: 42.204 grain H2O = 2.740 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon BL-C2

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   90    38.07   2414    1941   37203   6759     92.5    1.273
-09.0   91    38.49   2442    1985   38447   6845     93.1    1.255
-08.0   92    38.92   2469    2031   39740   6928     93.6    1.238
-07.0   93    39.34   2497    2076   41081   7010     94.1    1.221
-06.0   94    39.76   2524    2123   42474   7089     94.5    1.204
-05.0   95    40.19   2552    2169   43920   7167     95.0    1.188
-04.0   96    40.61   2580    2217   45425   7242     95.4    1.171  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   97    41.03   2608    2265   46985   7315     95.8    1.154  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   98    41.45   2636    2313   48611   7386     96.2    1.137  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   99    41.88   2663    2363   50303   7454     96.6    1.120  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  100    42.30   2691    2412   52062   7519     97.0    1.103  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  101    42.72   2719    2462   53892   7582     97.3    1.087  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  102    43.15   2747    2513   55800   7642     97.7    1.070  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  103    43.57   2775    2565   57786   7700     98.0    1.055  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  104    43.99   2803    2616   59847   7754     98.2    1.039  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  105    44.42   2831    2669   61986   7805     98.5    1.024  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    42.30   2830    2667   63464   7436     99.9    1.020  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    42.30   2508    2095   41794   7201     89.8    1.208



Cartridge          : .300 Savage
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler E-Tip 59378
Useable Case Capaci: 42.204 grain H2O = 2.740 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : IMR 3031

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   95    34.47   2454    2006   37685   6633     98.1    1.257
-09.0   96    34.85   2480    2048   38871   6693     98.4    1.241
-08.0   97    35.24   2505    2090   40097   6750     98.7    1.224
-07.0   98    35.62   2530    2133   41364   6805     98.9    1.209
-06.0   99    36.00   2556    2176   42675   6857     99.1    1.193
-05.0  100    36.39   2581    2219   44032   6906     99.3    1.177
-04.0  101    36.77   2606    2262   45433   6952     99.5    1.161  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  102    37.15   2631    2306   46885   6995     99.6    1.145  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  103    37.53   2656    2350   48387   7035     99.8    1.130  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  104    37.92   2681    2394   49944   7072     99.8    1.114  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  105    38.30   2706    2439   51552   7105     99.9    1.099  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  106    38.68   2731    2484   53222   7135    100.0    1.084  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  107    39.07   2755    2528   54951   7163    100.0    1.069  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  108    39.45   2780    2574   56741   7187    100.0    1.055  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  110    39.83   2804    2619   58597   7210    100.0    1.041  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  111    40.22   2828    2664   60523   7232    100.0    1.027  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    105    38.30   2813    2635   63015   6753    100.0    1.021  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    105    38.30   2546    2159   41603   7189     96.2    1.199



Cartridge          : .300 Savage
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler E-Tip 59378
Useable Case Capaci: 42.204 grain H2O = 2.740 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Ramshot TAC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   88    36.99   2338    1821   38047   6212     86.8    1.284
-09.0   89    37.40   2364    1862   39226   6299     87.4    1.268
-08.0   90    37.81   2390    1903   40444   6385     87.9    1.251
-07.0   91    38.22   2416    1945   41704   6471     88.5    1.234
-06.0   92    38.63   2442    1987   43007   6555     89.0    1.218
-05.0   93    39.05   2469    2030   44354   6638     89.5    1.202
-04.0   94    39.46   2495    2073   45748   6720     90.0    1.185  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   95    39.87   2521    2117   47191   6801     90.5    1.169  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   96    40.28   2547    2161   48684   6881     91.0    1.153  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   97    40.69   2574    2206   50229   6959     91.5    1.137  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   98    41.10   2600    2252   51829   7036     92.0    1.121  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   99    41.51   2626    2298   53486   7111     92.4    1.105  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  100    41.92   2653    2344   55203   7185     92.9    1.090  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  101    42.33   2679    2391   56982   7257     93.3    1.075  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  102    42.74   2706    2439   58826   7328     93.7    1.060  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  103    43.16   2733    2487   60738   7397     94.1    1.046  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     98    41.10   2738    2497   61093   7235     97.2    1.043  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     98    41.10   2431    1969   43005   6576     84.0    1.217

 

[Stillhunter]

Dr Mike. Thank you for that. Shows how close in performance those powders are. Seems Tac may not be the best with 150 or 165 grain loads.
Why would you not use the Etip? I was thinking it may make a usefull elk load without buying 180 partitions. 180 gr loads seem mighty slow out of the 300. It will be primarily a deer rifle though.

 

[DrMike]

I may have spoken out of turn. I was concerned about generating enough velocity to open reliably. At the more modest velocities of the 300 Savage, I believe the cup and core bullets will perform more reliably. However, when I ran those figures, I was pleasantly surprised at the velocities projected. The E-Tip is one of my favourite bullets. However, I usually run it in the WSMs and cartridges generating over 3000 fps muzzle velocity. I would be comfortable at 2700 fps muzzle velocity.

 

[mjcmichigan]

300 Savage has more go than the 303 Savage that I loaded for.
The challenge is a lot os 180 class bullets are made for the big mags like 300wm, Rum, Wby, so they are a bit hard for lower speed apps.
The Hornady #30395 160gn FTX bullet is made for opening at 1800-2600.
The 30396 is the same except harder, works I. The 2000-2800
Vs their interlock at 2200-3400fps.

The one I’d recommend is the 140gn 30311 Monoflex, it’s a tipped GMX design to expand in the range 1650-2800.
You might have to call Hornady for a recipe on the one in your cartridge.

I had great luck with leverrevolution powder. Got the 303savage up to 2400fps. Other powders topped out at 2200.

You should be 2500-2600 maybe a little more depending on how heavy you go.

Congratulations on a fun lever gun!


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[mjcmichigan]

300 Savage has more go than the 303 Savage that I loaded for.
The challenge is a lot os 180 class bullets are made for the big mags like 300wm, Rum, Wby, so they are a bit hard for lower speed apps.
The Hornady #30395 160gn FTX bullet is made for opening at 1800-2600.
The 30396 is the same except harder, works I. The 2000-2800
Vs their interlock at 2200-3400fps.

The one I’d recommend is the 140gn 30311 Monoflex, it’s a tipped GMX design to expand in the range 1650-2800.
You might have to call Hornady for a recipe on the one in your cartridge.

I had great luck with leverrevolution powder. Got the 303savage up to 2400fps. Other powders topped out at 2200.

You should be 2500-2600 maybe a little more depending on how heavy you go.

Congratulations on a fun lever gun!


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Sounds like 2700 ish with the 150.

The FTX bullets fly great. We got MOA out of that 1928 99.
Lol. Took a lot of copper solvent to clean the rifling...doubt it was cleaned during the last 40+ years....

Wishing you much success!


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[Polaris]

I have a fair amount of experience loading this round. First off, regarding the E-tip. Case capacity vs OAL is the problem. You can load a "long" bullet, but it will be at the cost of reduced case capacity, and hence reduced velocity to do safely.

Also regarding case capacity, I've had the best success with relatively dense powders squarely in the medium burn speed. I have loaded IMR 4064 (my personal favorite for top accuracy and good velocity), V N140 (similar to 4064 but more expensive) and W 748 (top velocity for me, but accuracy was hit or miss, harder to find a good load).

Myself and a friend I load for have taken numerous deer with either the H 150 interlock flat base or the Speer 150 hot core flat base over IMR 4064. I prefer the Speer in the 99s feed ramp. These FB 150s use all of the .300s case capacity efficiently. Both of these are deer hammers in the .300 Sav and easy to find good accuracy. Have also used the H165 SP flat base, but never taken game with it. My friend did take a couple of deer and a 400lb Black bear with his "bear" load, a 150 Partition over IMR 4064. This bullet also performed flawlessly, but could never get the groups as with the SPs.

I would stick to the 150 flat bases and one of the 3 powders I listed. R 15 or Varget would probably also be strong options, just haven't tried them. Tac may work well also, in the same burn range, but not sure how the load density of this one compares to the others.

You also don't want to hot rod in the M99 action. It is strong, but a case failure or blown primer is a very bad experience as they lack some of the gas deflection properties of bolt actions and are susceptible to firing pin and extractor breakage with hot loads. Had a factory round pierce a primer and it was not fun. Also the 99 is a brass stretcher, hot loads will quickly wear out your brass.

 

[Dr. Vette]

http://ataleoftwothirties.com/?p=1026

I've had great success with LVR as this article describes.

 

[Stillhunter]

Thanks everyone. Polaris, good point about the flat base shorter bullets. Thanks again.

 

[1Shot]

If you want a deer smoking round give the Nosler 125 Ballistic Tip a try. It is PERFET at the velocities the 300 Savage operates, under 3000 fps impact. I have used this bullet in a number of 30 cals for deer and it is awesome. I have a rifle that uses a modified 300 Savage case, it is called a 30x47. It takes the 300 Savage case and pushes the shoulder back ten thousands but leaves the case the original length making a longer neck. This rifle has a standard short action and I can load this bullet out to keep it out of the powder chamber. I am shooting 42 grs IMR 4895 and average 2850 fps with the 125 BT. You could probably go a grain more safely in the 300 Savage. I would give your RL 15 a try with the 125 BT. One other favor to the 125 BT is that it has been supper accurate in everything I have shot it in.

 

[Polaris]

If you want a deer smoking round give the Nosler 125 Ballistic Tip a try. It is PERFET at the velocities the 300 Savage operates, under 3000 fps impact. I have used this bullet in a number of 30 cals for deer and it is awesome. I have a rifle that uses a modified 300 Savage case, it is called a 30x47. It takes the 300 Savage case and pushes the shoulder back ten thousands but leaves the case the original length making a longer neck. This rifle has a standard short action and I can load this bullet out to keep it out of the powder chamber. I am shooting 42 grs IMR 4895 and average 2850 fps with the 125 BT. You could probably go a grain more safely in the 300 Savage. I would give your RL 15 a try with the 125 BT. One other favor to the 125 BT is that it has been supper accurate in everything I have shot it in.

Should also be good. I've found some of the more compact 150 boat tails, such as the Speer BTSP to work well in the .300 Sav. My friend has a Rem 722 and we can run them a little longer than in the M99, but this bullet reacted a little too violently on deer for his taste, so we switched to the hot core. The 125s should be perfect for longer range/lighter deer. My loads were intended more for tight cover big North woods deer, and the 150s do well in that role. Revisited my notes last night, and I also did use BL-C2. Got decent accuracy, but then I got into reloading European military calibers and switched to 4064 for most all of my medium speed fodder. Data for Ball C looks promising, and it is an outstanding powder in .308, should do well in the old Savage as well.

 

[SJB358]

Great info, thank you all for posting it.

I have been using AA2520 and 150 SST's, 150 Partitions and 150 Accubonds in my grandfathers old M99. I wanna say I have been in the mid 2600's for speed with it. I need to get it back out one of these days and get it up and hunting ready with a decent load. It deserves to hunt again.

1Shot, I would like to try that 125 BT/AB set up. I think that might be a hoot and I am sure either bullet will clobber deer.