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...........To keep it simple AND as "bullet" suggests, get the 300 Win. Mag. Or as another suggested, the 300 WSM.laker":ew3cs1nr said:How much of a difference would there be between a 30-06 ackley with a 26 inch barrel vs. a 300 win mag with a 24 inch barrel with both guns shooting 180 grain accubonds?
YoteSmoker said:Well almost. The SAUM can beat the WSM.[/quote................That depends on the individual rife. Performance wise, it is really a hair splitter between the two, with no difference in the field on game whatsoever!............The 300 WSM (I have a compact), is certainly more popular between the two, as many more rifle offerings or selections are chambered in the 300 WSM..........This whole Ackley biz has its fans, but I dont see any point to these cartridges. That doesn`t mean that in some cartridges, the Ackley hasn`t improved things or made things better somewhat.
But especially in these two?
If one is considering a 280 AI,,,just go get a 7mm Rem. mag!
" " " " " `06 AI,,,just go get a 300 Win. or WSM!
The 7 mag and the 300`s can be loaded down to match the 280 or `06 Ackleys anyway.
......................That`s ok Yote!!.... I`ll gladly sacrifice some velocity to carry a rifle that is only 35.5 inches in OAL, with a 16.5" barrel, that weighs 7.5 lb with scope, that is much faster to the shoulder, is much quicker in target acquisition and aiming, is much handier, is much easier to carry in any terrain, is much easier to hunt with, is much easier to pack,,,etc, etc and etc......A 10-11 lb., 46" or 47" OAL Sendero w/scope, handles like a pig on the end of a shovel...........YoteSmoker":2a7gwgz7 said:You're right Big Squeeze. The 300 SAUM in 26" Sendero will beat the pants off a 300 WSM Ruger Frontier.
.............................Here I go AGAIN?.....Just posting the facts!!........Seems to me, as I read through past posts, I recall that you certainly out number me talkin about your Wby`s, velocity and so on, than I ever have on Nosler with my Frontier??.........Unless of course, someone has a statement to make that challenges me. The groups that I`m getting with my above loads are from 3/4 to 1.15" (outside hole to outside hole)....That is using my barrel de-resonator too!bullet":2usymjyr said:Big squeeze, here you go again!!!!
You posted the following:
150 gr. SST @ 3135 fps. very near max. very accurate.....Hmmmmm!
180 gr. SST @ 2926 fps. very near max. very accurate.....Hmmmmm!
200 gr. Nosler A/B @ 2828 fps. at max. very accurate......Hmmmmm!
I want you to try something of a test if you would. Handload for your 300WSM and get it to shoot at least a 1/2-3/4 five shot group. Now once you have done that, then I want you to chronograph this accurate round for an average of five shots. Then when you have done so post a picture of the target (the five shot group 1/2-3/4") and also a picture of your chrony's face showing the average velocity. I think you will be surprised. Now do this and then let's talk about how it performs the performance factors in light of other 30 Cal. cartridges.
For an added test and more fun do this with 150gr, 165gr, 180gr, 200gr, 220gr and 240gr and lets see how it performs across the board. I think it would be quite and education for all of us. By the way I have done the above except the 240gr because it just will not fit and get any velocity. This very test is why it is not my favorite 30 cal nor do I find justification for it's existence outside of new sales.
My 300Wby pushing a 180TSX 3278fps shot .324" - 1.956" groups. My 30-06 can shoot a five shot group of 165gr bullets traveling at an average of 3060fps in to 3/4" and those test have been posted on this forum.
Just take the time to do the test I have suggested and then let me and others know your findings and let's have some fun. Once you have done so I want to try your loads in my browning A-bolt and see what you developed and how it compares with the tests I did with my 300WSM and A-bolt with a 22" barrel and your 20" barrel Ruger.
...............My Frontier`s barrel is 16.5" not 20".......My 375 Ruger Alaskan is 20" which BTW I`ve already gotten 3016 fps. with the 225 grainer!bullet":2j11xpg2 said:Well I was hoping to see your results since my 300WSM A-bolt with a 22" barrel was a disappointment but that was my rifle. Oh! By the way, my Mark V 30-06 with new stock will weigh with bases rings and the scope I am putting on it 6 3/4 pounds (empty). Just thought I could get you to see some real time results if you would take the time to do the test. All I can say is that if your velocities are correct then your 20" Ruger out performed my 22" A-bolt and I am sure that is possible.
A man has got to use what he has confidence in when he goes to the field and I know you have confidence in your rifle. Good luck this hunting season and I hope to hear of your success.
YoteSmoker":1s0vfn0b said:Well almost. The SAUM can beat the WSM.