338 200 gr E-Tip

[SJB358]

All this talk about them.. Might have to give a bag a whirl if I see them pop up.. Seems like I can get some speed on them. It'd be fun to run some of them into the jugs from my 338..

Cartridge : .338 Win Mag.
Bullet : .338, 200, Nosler E-Tip 59186
Useable Case Capaci: 73.023 grain H2O = 4.741 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 25.0 inch = 635.0 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 82 57.84 2486 2744 31973 8137 95.6 1.496
-18.0 84 59.29 2548 2883 34200 8354 96.6 1.455
-16.0 86 60.73 2610 3026 36588 8556 97.5 1.414
-14.0 88 62.18 2672 3171 39149 8740 98.3 1.371
-12.0 90 63.62 2734 3319 41903 8906 98.9 1.328
-10.0 92 65.07 2795 3470 44863 9052 99.4 1.287
-08.0 94 66.52 2856 3622 48044 9177 99.7 1.248
-06.0 96 67.96 2916 3777 51471 9281 99.9 1.210
-04.0 98 69.41 2976 3934 55166 9363 100.0 1.173
-02.0 100 70.85 3036 4092 59154 9431 100.0 1.138 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 72.30 3094 4252 63462 9497 100.0 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 73.75 3152 4413 68129 9558 100.0 1.071 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 75.19 3210 4576 73178 9617 100.0 1.039 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 109 76.64 3267 4741 78679 9671 100.0 1.008 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 111 78.08 3324 4908 84655 9721 100.0 0.979 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 113 79.53 3381 5077 91174 9767 100.0 0.950 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 72.30 3207 4567 77659 9094 100.0 1.024 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 72.30 2920 3786 51236 9835 98.3 1.208


I used to poo poo the lighter bullets in the 338 till I started using the 210 PT. That bullet, along with the 200 AB are game changers in the 338 Win Mag.

 

[Palouser]

I was gong to say....a 200 grain bullet at 3,000fps. That has to be quite powerful!

 

[Vince]

Looks like a great bullet.

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[DrMike]

I might have to try some out of my 270!

The 130 grain E-Tip works very well on both moose and elk out of my 270 WSM.

 

[FOTIS]

Mike Impact velocity?

 

[Palouser]

I might have to try some out of my 270!

The 130 grain E-Tip works very well on both moose and elk out of my 270 WSM.

I am definitely going to try some! Think muzzle velocity of 3,100 is enough for expansion?

 

[DrMike]

Should work fine, Todd. I'm only launching st 3250 fps.

 

[DrMike]

Mike Impact velocity?

I don't know, Fotis. These were the Federal loads that were marketed a couple of years ago. I was told these were E-Tips, though Federal markets them as "Trophy Copper." The moose was shot at ~80 yards and muzzle velocity was 2630 fps/24 inches, so impact velocity would have still been ~2450 or so.

 

[Palouser]

Mike Impact velocity?

I don't know, Fotis. These were the Federal loads that were marketed a couple of years ago. I was told these were E-Tips, though Federal markets them as "Trophy Copper." The moose was shot at ~80 yards and muzzle velocity was 2630 fps/24 inches, so impact velocity would have still been ~2450 or so.

That is pretty impressive if that bullet opened up like that at 2400 or 2500 ft./s.

 

[Palouser]

I thought I remember seeing a post where David's son shot a cow elk or a young bull at like 400 yards out of his 6 mm 90 grain E tips and said it was a pass-through. And my making that up or was that true David?

 

[Palouser]

I might have to try some out of my 270!

The 130 grain E-Tip works very well on both moose and elk out of my 270 WSM.

What happens to the petals if you hit bone, do they break off?

 

[DrMike]

The petals are intact. When I get my desktop back, I'll see if I can post a picture of a recovered bullet. In any case, the animals (moose, elk and whitetail) were quite dead.

 

[SJB358]

I might have to try some out of my 270!

The 130 grain E-Tip works very well on both moose and elk out of my 270 WSM.

What happens to the petals if you hit bone, do they break off?

The ET is about the only bullet I have seen (through pictures) that's retained its frontal area through everything. One of my problems with the Barnes is the brittle front ends that seem to shear off pretty easily. The PT sorta does the same thing, but still keeps a heatlhier front end from what I have seen. Even the 225 TSX from my Whelen sheared off one of those big old petals from a black bear and those are pretty meaty on those sized bullets..

 

[Guy Miner]

I thought I remember seeing a post where David's son shot a cow elk or a young bull at like 400 yards out of his 6 mm 90 grain E tips and said it was a pass-through. And my making that up or was that true David?

That was David. He and I like the big cartridges too, but we're both pretty enthused about the .24 & .25 cal rifles being plenty of rifle for most North American hunting. Bullets like the E-Tip build on that, and I think take the small bores to a new level with the penetration they offer.

Regards, Guy

 

[Palouser]

Thanks Guy! I knew somebody would remember!

 

[Palouser]

I might have to try some out of my 270!

The 130 grain E-Tip works very well on both moose and elk out of my 270 WSM.

What happens to the petals if you hit bone, do they break off?

The ET is about the only bullet I have seen (through pictures) that's retained its frontal area through everything. One of my problems with the Barnes is the brittle front ends that seem to shear off pretty easily. The PT sorta does the same thing, but still keeps a heatlhier front end from what I have seen. Even the 225 TSX from my Whelen sheared off one of those big old petals from a black bear and those are pretty meaty on those sized bullets..

I am definitely going to try some. Maybe in my 243???

 

[Palouser]

The petals are intact. When I get my desktop back, I'll see if I can post a picture of a recovered bullet. In any case, the animals (moose, elk and whitetail) were quite dead.

I can't wait to see it!

 

[DrMike]

I'm loading 90 grain E-Tips for my grandson's .243. I'm comfortable that it will have him punching above his weight when used on game.

 

[Palouser]

I'm loading 90 grain E-Tips for my grandson's .243. I'm comfortable that it will have him punching above his weight when used on game.

I have a featherweight Model 70, .243. What powder are you using? Let me know how far off the lands you end up?

 

[gerry]

The Barnes bullets shearing off their petals isn't a bad thing, you could actually make the argument that it can act like a mono version of the Nosler Partition where it was designed to lose the front end.

I do like the E tip quite a bit and am hoping to be able to get the 3 boxes of 6.5mm 120 gr on order in soon to try in the 264 WM. Should be able to get 3250-3300 fps pretty easily I would guess. With a b.c. of .497 it will shoot flat and handle anything that comes it's way at close range too.