35 Whelen loads?

[SJB358]

Yup. For sure Tom, and just about any powder will get 2500 out of a 250 PT without making anything sweat. It is a tank of a round and really about all you would ever want for hunting animals bigger than deer.

 

[RiverRider]

Curiosity got the better of me so I ran QuickLOAD on IMR4320 with the 225-grain AccuBond for the .35 Whelen, and it looks to me like it should be a contender.

Funny thing about 4320...I had a small amount on the shelf for a while some years back and never chose it since it was not really a good match for anything I was loading at the time. I would just use it for fouling rounds when testing loads in a newly cleaned bore. It would really bug me when I'd fire three fouling shots out of one of several .280s I've owned, and all three would cluster into about a half-inch! Velocity was around 2500 fps, IIRC and I just couldn't see hamstringing a .280 that way but I always think about that when I see 4320 mentioned.

 

[SJB358]

I know if I can't find some RL15 soon, 4320 is going to get a workout on my Whelen.

 

[longrangehunter]

I bought a bunch of IMR 4320 years ago but never found a use for it until now in a 223. But my 35 Whelen load consists of H4895 behind a 225 Barnes TSX. Seemed too fast for the case, but it worked very well in the end in my gun.

 

[SJB358]

Yeah, I plan on grabbing some 4320 the next time I see a lb, just to give it a whirl in my Whelen. If I could grab some danged RL15 from somewhere, I would be much happier, but alternatives are surely good to have in todays world too..

 

[sask boy]

Scotty if you were north of the 49th I could spare a lb or 2 of RL-15.
That line on the map is such a pain.

Blessings,
Dan

 

[tddeangelo]

ETA on return of my rifle is Monday Aug 5. Till I get the stock fully fitted (some minor sanding out of prior bedding still needed) and then skim bedded, it'll be about this time next week till I get to shoot it. Hopefully I'll have some good targets to post.

 

[DrMike]

That sounds great, Tom. I'm certain there will be quite a few people anxious to see what you have. It assuredly sounds like a quality project.

 

[tddeangelo]

I'm anxious to see what I have, too! The waiting is tough, and JES doesn't take long for them to be done and turned around. It's like being a kid on Christmas Eve, and Christmas Eve takes two weeks to pass, lol.

 

[SJB358]

I'm very much looking forward to your targets. What's your first load going to be?

 

[tddeangelo]

I figured I'd start with the HotCor and I have 4320 and 4064 on hand. I'm going to start at 4320. Somewhere in my email/PM's, I have min/max data that Jim B ran on QL for me.

 

[SJB358]

Those should be good. I'm actually looking forward to your results. I'm needing some RL15, but I would rework if 4320 works well and I can lay into 8lbs of it.

 

[tddeangelo]

I got two pounds of it at Cabelas, since they have it readily now.

Scotty, can you run me some QL data? Jim sent me "min/max"....I didn't get to see the whole run of charges/pressures/velocities.

 

[SJB358]

Yup. Will get it out shortly when Dylann gives me back the computer.

 

[DrMike]

This data set is calculated at 64K psi in your Whelen, using 250 grain Speer SP and IMR4320.

Cartridge          : .35 Whelen
Bullet             : .358, 250, Speer SP 2453
Useable Case Capaci: 60.685 grain H2O = 3.940 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : IMR 4320

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   84    46.40   2122    2499   32623   5988     93.2    1.523
-18.0   86    47.56   2171    2617   34794   6156     94.2    1.483
-16.0   89    48.72   2221    2739   37105   6317     95.1    1.444
-14.0   91    49.88   2271    2863   39573   6470     96.0    1.402
-12.0   93    51.04   2320    2989   42210   6615     96.8    1.362
-10.0   95    52.20   2370    3118   45028   6752     97.4    1.323
-08.0   97    53.36   2419    3249   48039   6878     98.1    1.285
-06.0   99    54.52   2468    3382   51273   6995     98.6    1.249
-04.0  101    55.68   2517    3518   54734   7102     99.0    1.214  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  103    56.84   2566    3655   58450   7197     99.4    1.181  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  105    58.00   2615    3795   62442   7281     99.7    1.149  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  108    59.16   2663    3936   66738   7353     99.9    1.117  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  110    60.32   2711    4080   71366   7412    100.0    1.087  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  112    61.48   2759    4224   76362   7459    100.0    1.058  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  114    62.64   2806    4371   81762   7499    100.0    1.029  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  116    63.80   2853    4519   87613   7536    100.0    1.002  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    105    58.00   2709    4075   74374   6973    100.0    1.076  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    105    58.00   2477    3406   51542   7291     95.7    1.244

 

[SJB358]

Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 250, Nosler PART SP 44801
Useable Case Capaci: 59.664 grain H2O = 3.874 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

92 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hodgdon H414 109.0 63.4 4.11 2668 96.8 63000 8025 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 109.0 63.4 4.11 2668 96.8 63000 8025 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 105.7 61.0 3.95 2667 99.5 63000 7759 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 107.4 61.0 3.95 2659 99.7 63000 7630 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 107.6 61.1 3.96 2658 99.7 63000 7618 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 103.6 57.0 3.69 2644 99.8 63000 7534 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 98.8 59.3 3.84 2635 100.0 63000 7373 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 106.7 59.3 3.84 2633 100.0 63000 7355 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 105.0 57.7 3.74 2633 99.7 63000 7442 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 104.4 57.4 3.72 2632 99.5 63000 7477 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 104.4 57.4 3.72 2632 99.5 63000 7477 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 104.4 57.4 3.72 2632 99.5 63000 7477 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 110.0 61.8 4.01 2630 98.5 59434 7894 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 96.3 57.0 3.69 2628 100.0 63000 7071 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 109.1 59.4 3.85 2625 99.9 63000 7277 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 105.5 59.3 3.84 2616 98.6 63000 7508 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 100.6 55.3 3.59 2616 99.9 63000 7256 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 104.5 53.8 3.48 2616 100.0 63000 6681 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 108.9 58.6 3.80 2616 99.9 63000 7281 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 106.2 57.5 3.72 2611 99.6 63000 7188 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 100.9 55.5 3.60 2611 99.7 63000 7282 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 101.6 59.5 3.86 2606 98.6 63000 7408 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 101.4 57.4 3.72 2606 100.0 63000 6861 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 101.4 57.4 3.72 2606 100.0 63000 6861 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 101.6 57.7 3.74 2606 99.7 63000 7235 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 97.9 56.2 3.64 2599 100.0 63000 7037 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 96.0 56.8 3.68 2598 100.0 63000 7062 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 95.2 56.1 3.63 2598 100.0 63000 7021 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 105.4 56.4 3.66 2592 100.0 63000 6971 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 99.7 59.0 3.82 2590 99.6 63000 7029 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 104.3 54.2 3.51 2589 100.0 63000 6578 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 106.3 56.7 3.68 2588 99.3 63000 7170 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 106.6 56.7 3.68 2588 99.3 63000 7170 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 103.8 57.7 3.74 2586 100.0 63000 6849 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 96.9 53.6 3.47 2586 100.0 63000 6928 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 99.4 58.7 3.80 2585 98.5 63000 7205 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 91.6 55.0 3.56 2583 100.0 63000 6706 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 106.6 59.1 3.83 2581 96.8 63000 7279 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 101.5 54.9 3.56 2581 100.0 63000 6688 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 107.5 55.8 3.62 2580 99.5 63000 7020 1.161 ! Near Maximum !



RL15

Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 250, Nosler PART SP 44801
Useable Case Capaci: 59.664 grain H2O = 3.874 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 93 51.30 2368 3112 44538 6870 96.9 1.348
-09.0 94 51.87 2393 3178 45993 6939 97.2 1.328
-08.0 95 52.44 2417 3244 47497 7005 97.5 1.310
-07.0 96 53.01 2442 3311 49050 7068 97.8 1.291
-06.0 97 53.58 2467 3378 50655 7130 98.1 1.273
-05.0 98 54.15 2491 3445 52315 7189 98.4 1.255
-04.0 99 54.72 2516 3514 54030 7245 98.6 1.237
-03.0 101 55.29 2540 3582 55803 7299 98.8 1.220 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 102 55.86 2565 3652 57637 7350 99.0 1.203 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 103 56.43 2589 3721 59535 7399 99.2 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 104 57.00 2613 3791 61498 7445 99.4 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 105 57.57 2638 3862 63529 7488 99.5 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 106 58.14 2662 3933 65632 7528 99.7 1.138 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 107 58.71 2686 4005 67810 7565 99.8 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 108 59.28 2710 4077 70066 7600 99.8 1.107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 109 59.85 2734 4149 72403 7631 99.9 1.092 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 104 57.00 2714 4089 73408 7145 100.0 1.092 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 104 57.00 2469 3385 49982 7415 95.0 1.274



IMR4064

Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 250, Nosler PART SP 44801
Useable Case Capaci: 59.664 grain H2O = 3.874 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 4064

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 97 50.40 2349 3064 46208 6508 97.3 1.329
-09.0 98 50.96 2373 3127 47702 6570 97.6 1.310
-08.0 99 51.52 2397 3191 49246 6631 97.8 1.292
-07.0 100 52.08 2421 3255 50841 6689 98.1 1.274
-06.0 101 52.64 2445 3319 52488 6745 98.4 1.256
-05.0 102 53.20 2469 3384 54192 6799 98.6 1.239
-04.0 103 53.76 2493 3450 55952 6851 98.8 1.222 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 105 54.32 2517 3516 57773 6900 99.0 1.205 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 106 54.88 2540 3582 59655 6946 99.2 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 107 55.44 2564 3649 61603 6990 99.4 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 108 56.00 2587 3716 63618 7032 99.5 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 109 56.56 2611 3784 65703 7071 99.6 1.141 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 110 57.12 2634 3852 67863 7108 99.7 1.126 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 111 57.68 2658 3921 70099 7141 99.8 1.111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 112 58.24 2681 3990 72416 7172 99.9 1.096 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 113 58.80 2704 4059 74817 7201 100.0 1.082 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 108 56.00 2679 3984 75015 6753 100.0 1.086 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 108 56.00 2456 3348 52519 7028 95.5 1.251


IMR4320

Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 250, Nosler PART SP 44801
Useable Case Capaci: 59.664 grain H2O = 3.874 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 4320

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 96 51.75 2367 3110 45380 6668 97.4 1.320
-09.0 97 52.33 2392 3176 46884 6732 97.7 1.301
-08.0 98 52.90 2416 3242 48440 6793 98.0 1.283
-07.0 99 53.48 2441 3308 50055 6852 98.3 1.264
-06.0 100 54.05 2466 3375 51724 6908 98.5 1.246
-05.0 101 54.63 2490 3443 53454 6962 98.8 1.229
-04.0 102 55.20 2515 3511 55246 7013 99.0 1.211
-03.0 103 55.78 2539 3580 57103 7062 99.2 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 104 56.35 2564 3649 59024 7107 99.4 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 105 56.93 2588 3719 61028 7150 99.5 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 106 57.50 2613 3789 63100 7189 99.6 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 107 58.08 2637 3859 65252 7226 99.8 1.130 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 108 58.65 2661 3931 67486 7260 99.8 1.114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 109 59.23 2685 4002 69805 7290 99.9 1.099 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 59.80 2709 4074 72216 7318 100.0 1.084 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 112 60.38 2733 4147 74723 7342 100.0 1.069 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 106 57.50 2707 4069 75196 6883 100.0 1.074 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 106 57.50 2475 3399 52075 7197 95.6 1.240


IMR4895

Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 250, Nosler PART SP 44801
Useable Case Capaci: 59.664 grain H2O = 3.874 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 4895

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 93 51.30 2398 3192 45560 6999 97.8 1.332
-09.0 94 51.87 2423 3259 47057 7064 98.0 1.313
-08.0 95 52.44 2448 3326 48602 7127 98.3 1.294
-07.0 96 53.01 2472 3393 50200 7187 98.6 1.276
-06.0 97 53.58 2497 3461 51850 7245 98.8 1.258
-05.0 98 54.15 2522 3530 53556 7300 99.0 1.240
-04.0 99 54.72 2546 3599 55320 7352 99.2 1.223 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 101 55.29 2571 3668 57143 7402 99.4 1.206 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 102 55.86 2595 3738 59029 7449 99.5 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 103 56.43 2619 3809 60979 7493 99.7 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 104 57.00 2644 3880 62998 7534 99.8 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 105 57.57 2668 3951 65086 7572 99.8 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 106 58.14 2692 4023 67249 7607 99.9 1.125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 107 58.71 2716 4095 69487 7638 100.0 1.110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 108 59.28 2740 4167 71807 7667 100.0 1.095 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 109 59.85 2764 4240 74209 7693 100.0 1.080 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 104 57.00 2740 4169 75306 7205 100.0 1.080 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 104 57.00 2502 3475 51074 7577 96.1 1.259

 

[SJB358]

Oops, Mike and I must have been working on it at the same time. Mine was ran to 63K, but it's really 6 and one half dozen.. Either way, I put some other powders there which might work for you as well. 4320 looks pretty good to me though.