358 Norma mag QL request

[preacher]

Hey guys with the Wizard Quick Loads.....what kind of safe velocity can I get with the following from a 24" barrel? Norma brass, Fed 215M primer, Barnes 200 TTSX, Speer 250, Woodleigh 250PP? I'm assuming I can run it @ 65K? Thanks.

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge : .358 Norma Mag.
Bullet : .358, 200, Barnes 'TTSX' 30461
Useable Case Capaci: 76.420 grain H2O = 4.962 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.346 inch = 84.99 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17                 107.2     79.2     5.13    3183    99.9    64000    9692   1.015  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          112.0     78.0     5.06    3122    98.8    64000    9400   1.030  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     112.0     81.5     5.28    3120    97.2    63676    9620   1.027  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    108.6     78.2     5.07    3119    98.7    64000    9508   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     106.1     79.0     5.12    3119    96.4    64000    9583   1.028  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       106.1     79.0     5.12    3119    96.4    64000    9583   1.028  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      111.2     78.3     5.08    3118    98.8    64000    9372   1.041  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          110.3     80.2     5.20    3069    93.8    64000    9313   1.028  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       102.8     74.0     4.79    3062    98.4    64000    9001   1.047  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                      103.6     71.4     4.63    3052   100.0    64000    8269   1.072  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       96.2     71.5     4.63    3051   100.0    64000    8282   1.055  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       97.5     67.2     4.35    3031   100.0    64000    7936   1.078  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                       104.2     74.4     4.82    3014    95.6    64000    8804   1.050  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       91.9     69.7     4.52    3011   100.0    64000    8084   1.063  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                112.0     76.3     4.95    3010    99.4    58418    8626   1.069  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             112.0     83.2     5.39    2967    92.5    59805    8838   1.062  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 112.0     78.9     5.11    2964    92.1    55494    9224   1.093  ! Near Maximum !

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge : .358 Norma Mag.
Bullet : .358, 250, Speer SP 2453
Useable Case Capaci: 77.748 grain H2O = 5.048 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.346 inch = 84.99 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26                 112.0     86.3     5.59    2951   100.0    62349   10808   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                          112.0     83.8     5.43    2895    98.6    61130   10732   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                 102.0     76.7     4.97    2894   100.0    64000    9599   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     106.9     79.1     5.12    2857    99.4    64000    9822   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       112.0     82.5     5.34    2857    95.7    62615   10366   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     100.9     76.5     4.96    2849    98.9    64000    9794   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       100.9     76.5     4.96    2849    98.9    64000    9794   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 111.4     79.8     5.17    2849    97.6    64000   10003   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          106.4     75.4     4.89    2839   100.0    64000    9435   1.132  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    103.3     75.7     4.90    2839    99.9    64000    9566   1.137  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      105.7     75.7     4.91    2837   100.0    64000    9397   1.146  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    112.0     82.0     5.31    2823    94.5    58079   10586   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           111.7     76.7     4.97    2822   100.0    64000    9225   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          105.4     78.0     5.06    2820    97.3    64000    9698   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   112.0     81.1     5.26    2805    95.2    64000    9686   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 112.0     81.1     5.26    2803    96.6    57219   10294   1.172  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                109.3     75.8     4.91    2802   100.0    64000    8651   1.131  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    112.0     85.3     5.53    2798    92.5    57136   10514   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             109.2     82.5     5.35    2793    97.2    64000    9424   1.127  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     112.0     87.4     5.67    2792    97.2    59716    9882   1.148  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        97.9     71.7     4.65    2789    99.9    64000    9068   1.147  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       98.6     71.4     4.63    2788   100.0    64000    8735   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        99.5     72.3     4.69    2760    98.4    64000    9054   1.147  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       91.4     69.0     4.47    2753   100.0    64000    8180   1.161  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       98.4     69.0     4.47    2750   100.0    64000    8176   1.178  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       92.5     64.9     4.20    2722   100.0    64000    7851   1.185  ! Near Maximum !

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge : .358 Norma Mag.
Bullet : .358, 250, Woodleigh PP WeldCore 53A
Useable Case Capaci: 78.029 grain H2O = 5.066 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.346 inch = 84.99 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26                 112.0     86.6     5.61    2957   100.0    62663   10841   1.116  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                          112.0     84.1     5.45    2901    98.6    61412   10773   1.131  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                 101.9     76.9     4.98    2896   100.0    64000    9626   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       112.0     82.8     5.36    2863    95.8    62875   10411   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     106.7     79.3     5.14    2859    99.4    64000    9851   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 111.3     80.0     5.19    2851    97.6    64000   10035   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       100.8     76.7     4.97    2850    99.0    64000    9825   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     100.8     76.7     4.97    2850    99.0    64000    9825   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          106.3     75.6     4.90    2841   100.0    64000    9462   1.132  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    103.2     75.9     4.92    2841    99.9    64000    9594   1.137  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      105.5     75.9     4.92    2838   100.0    64000    9424   1.146  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    112.0     82.3     5.33    2829    94.7    58304   10634   1.159  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           111.5     76.8     4.98    2824   100.0    64000    9251   1.140  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          105.3     78.2     5.07    2822    97.3    64000    9730   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 112.0     81.4     5.28    2809    96.7    57471   10338   1.170  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   111.9     81.3     5.27    2807    95.2    64000    9720   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    112.0     85.6     5.55    2804    92.6    57399   10564   1.171  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                109.1     75.9     4.92    2804   100.0    64000    8676   1.131  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     112.0     87.7     5.69    2799    97.3    59991    9923   1.145  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             109.1     82.7     5.36    2796    97.3    64000    9456   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        97.8     71.9     4.66    2791    99.9    64000    9095   1.147  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       98.4     71.6     4.64    2789   100.0    64000    8760   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        99.4     72.5     4.70    2762    98.4    64000    9083   1.146  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       91.3     69.2     4.48    2754   100.0    64000    8204   1.161  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       98.2     69.1     4.48    2751   100.0    64000    8199   1.177  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      112.0     80.6     5.22    2726    98.7    57062    9270   1.205  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       92.4     65.0     4.21    2723   100.0    64000    7874   1.185  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                       92.6     63.3     4.10    2709   100.0    64000    7869   1.169  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      112.0     78.3     5.07    2688    93.4    55471    9357   1.196  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160                    112.0     77.2     5.00    2650    94.3    55382    8882   1.207  ! Near Maximum !

 

[preacher]

Thanks Brother Mike! I tease you about singing at your funeral, but we both know we are going to live to be 120, right! I really like those numbers for the Norma! I was still a 100-150fps behind them with my C4 loaded Ackley, ha. I figured I could run with the 340W/338 RUM. I shot the 210XBT in the Weatherby right at 3200 and the 250 NP in the RUM right at 2950 or close. The 35 caliber hole in the end of the 338win sized case makes a difference, doesn't it? I am really looking forward to working with this cartridge! Have a great service tomorrow Pastor! Jim

 

[DrMike]

It certainly delivers some energy on target. I'm enjoying the cartridge. Should be an interesting service tomorrow.

 

[SJB358]

RL17 with the 200's and 225's and RL26 with the 250's is working very well with my Newton. Delivers great speed and very good accuracy. I think the Newton and Norma are pretty much twins from what I've seen.

 

[DrMike]

RL17 with the 200's and 225's and RL26 with the 250's is working very well with my Newton. Delivers great speed and very good accuracy. I think the Newton and Norma are pretty much twins from what I've seen.

Wouldn't be able to distinguish between the two in the field, Scotty. They are virtual twins. I built my 358 Norma Mag because it was simply easier to build a 358 Norma Mag than to try to keep up with the Top! :mrgreen:

 

[preacher]

Me too! ha I thought about how neat the Newton would be...then I thought, heck, I'll more than likely be the only man on the mountain, much less camp, with the Norma mag! lol

 

[SJB358]

I love my Newton. I suspect id take a Norma in a heartbeat as well.

 

[preacher]

What we all need to do is pile up a wad of game this season with all three of our "35 cal Stompers!" Then we can post pics ( I promise to learn how by then! ) I'm waiting to see what I drew out on and I put in for several antlerless hunts!

 

[SJB358]

I've got two elk tags I'd like to take one with the Newton.