Another 338/06 QL Request Please, 210 TTSX?

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What powders might give me 2750-2800 with the Barnes 210 TTSX? Also QL Data of 63K for the Hammer 175gr? I'll take what my rifle will safely give me, but I'd like to know which powders ( preferrable Temp Stable) can get me there around 63K and velocity goal? 24 bbl. I use Winchester and Lapua cases. My Lot of Lapua has tight primer pockets, so I can only use the CCI 250 Primer with Ball Powders. Would someone mind running this for me, pretty please....(don't make me say "sugar on top"!!! Please! :) )
 
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I'm sure my QL experts are out hunting! ha BTW This is just when you get the time, I appreciate it.
 
Code: 
Cartridge          : .338-06 A-Square
Bullet             : .338, 175, Hammer HH
Useable Case Capaci: 60.460 grain H2O = 3.926 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Bofors RP3                         110.0     62.0     4.02    3043    99.5    62333    8402   1.039  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      110.0     62.0     4.02    3043    99.5    62333    8402   1.039  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T              110.0     64.3     4.17    3031    98.5    56362    9046   1.054  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           110.0     64.3     4.17    3031    98.5    56362    9046   1.054  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle         104.9     60.3     3.90    3030   100.0    63000    7933   1.038  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                       104.9     60.3     3.90    3030   100.0    63000    7933   1.038  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                      102.5     60.3     3.90    3030   100.0    63000    7933   1.038  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                      105.0     57.2     3.71    3025   100.0    63000    7663   1.057  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       108.8     62.0     4.02    3025    97.3    63000    8459   1.033  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T               110.0     64.3     4.17    3019    99.0    54921    9159   1.064  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                      110.0     60.0     3.89    3010   100.0    60528    7946   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       110.0     64.8     4.20    3003    93.9    58362    8787   1.049  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     110.0     64.8     4.20    3003    93.9    58362    8787   1.049  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   102.5     61.3     3.97    2990    97.2    63000    8125   1.038  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                        98.0     58.6     3.80    2986    99.9    63000    7716   1.047  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       97.7     58.6     3.80    2986    99.9    63000    7716   1.047  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                      103.6     54.9     3.56    2980   100.0    63000    7596   1.052  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                       109.7     62.0     4.02    2966    93.9    63000    8165   1.039  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                       110.0     60.0     3.89    2964    98.7    58150    8193   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      110.0     60.6     3.93    2963    98.8    57131    8211   1.078  ! Near Maximum !
 
Code: 
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17 *T              110.0     58.5     3.79    2809    99.8    61907    8265   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           110.0     58.5     3.79    2809    99.8    61907    8265   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T               110.0     58.5     3.79    2803   100.0    60270    8316   1.117  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C*T               110.0     57.0     3.70    2716    98.1    58321    8019   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR                        110.0     55.8     3.62    2698    97.5    58159    7813   1.153  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 *C                 110.0     57.0     3.69    2677    98.1    59195    7461   1.150  ! Near Maximum !
 
Excuse me, but what does H4350 and Reloder 16 get ay 64K with the 210 TTSX?
 
H4350 gets you a mighty full case!

Code: 
Cartridge          : .338-06 A-Square
Bullet             : .338, 210, Barnes 'TTSX' BT 30428
Useable Case Capaci: 55.044 grain H2O = 3.574 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon H4350 *T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   93    46.40   2137    2129   31357   5860     84.1    1.527
-18.0   96    47.56   2191    2239   33558   6059     85.4    1.483
-16.0   98    48.72   2246    2352   35923   6255     86.7    1.441
-14.0  100    49.88   2301    2469   38470   6446     88.0    1.398
-12.0  103    51.04   2356    2589   41211   6632     89.2    1.355
-10.0  105    52.20   2412    2713   44169   6811     90.4    1.313
-08.0  107    53.36   2468    2840   47362   6984     91.5    1.273
-06.0  110    54.52   2524    2971   50817   7150     92.5    1.234
-04.0  112    55.68   2580    3105   54559   7307     93.5    1.197  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  115    56.84   2637    3243   58620   7455     94.5    1.160  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  117    58.00   2694    3384   63035   7593     95.3    1.125  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  119    59.16   2751    3529   67849   7721     96.1    1.091  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  122    60.32   2808    3678   73104   7837     96.9    1.058  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  124    61.48   2866    3830   78861   7941     97.5    1.026  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  126    62.64   2924    3986   85185   8032     98.1    0.995  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  129    63.80   2982    4146   92151   8109     98.6    0.965  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    117    58.00   2828    3728   75500   7612     99.2    1.048  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    117    58.00   2522    2967   51760   7230     88.0    1.225

RL 16 yields a similar impossible case fill.

Code: 
Cartridge          : .338-06 A-Square
Bullet             : .338, 210, Barnes 'TTSX' BT 30428
Useable Case Capaci: 55.044 grain H2O = 3.574 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   93    45.84   2216    2291   31566   6535     89.3    1.500
-18.0   95    46.99   2274    2411   33775   6750     90.7    1.457
-16.0   97    48.13   2332    2535   36149   6957     92.0    1.415
-14.0  100    49.28   2390    2663   38702   7154     93.2    1.371
-12.0  102    50.42   2448    2794   41450   7340     94.4    1.329
-10.0  104    51.57   2506    2929   44413   7515     95.4    1.288
-08.0  107    52.72   2565    3067   47610   7676     96.4    1.248
-06.0  109    53.86   2623    3208   51062   7823     97.2    1.209
-04.0  111    55.01   2682    3353   54801   7956     97.9    1.172  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  114    56.15   2740    3501   58856   8072     98.5    1.136  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  116    57.30   2798    3651   63264   8172     99.1    1.101  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  118    58.45   2856    3805   68059   8253     99.5    1.068  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  121    59.59   2914    3961   73291   8316     99.8    1.035  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  123    60.74   2972    4119   79014   8360     99.9    1.004  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  125    61.88   3030    4281   85293   8383    100.0    0.973  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  128    63.03   3087    4444   92197   8393    100.0    0.944  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    116    57.30   2927    3994   75995   7804    100.0    1.023  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    116    57.30   2615    3188   51897   8035     93.1    1.204
 
When I started working loads in my 338-06,I found that stepping up that bore size of my 30-06 case from 30cal to 338cal,I had to look more towards what powders I would load in my 308 Win instead of what powders I was loading in the parent case 30-06.Both those cartridges,the 308 Win and 30-06 as they are,use up most of the powder room in the case they way they are,so in order to get more velocity out of that 30-06 case in a 338 your going to need a faster powder.Every powder I tried with the burnrate between Varget and Win 760 seemed to be ideal in the 338-06.
 
Thanks Tex! I found that similarity in loading for my old 35 WAI. I just figured it was because it's case "was almost cylinder", i.e., .444, kind/sorta. I had just read alot about the 338/06 way back from Elmer K, and was wondering if H4350 (which I always felt 760 was similar to) gpt any speed. I figure anything I get from 2500-2700 is Jim Dandy for this round, but I like to see what my rifle will give me. Thank you again guys!
 
Tex- I started loading for that 35 WAI back in '95. I went right by Barnes very first Load manual, standard 35 Whelen data for their original "X" bullets then ( all they had) I found 2015-BR worked swell with their 250X, took it to South Africa in '96. Awesome killer ( ala 9.3x62) following year I tried their 200X. I could not get it to shoot with any powder they listed except the last one - H322. I always knew that was a great 222 Bench Rest powder, and I couldn't wrap my head around it, but my rifle ( a rechambered 700 Classic Whelen) loved it, shot bug holes! Later on, I started playing with the 9.3x62 ( I blame Finn Aagaard for that!) But I never saw anything with it I couldn't do with my Whelen AI. Of course, now I know why...my fave loads all ran about 72K, ha. But I had a good Wildcat run...and what is Wildcatting "without a little pressure"? Right? :)
 
Just for grins I seated a fired primer in a new, reformed Winchester 06 case, poured in 64.4gr (QL 63K+ for 3031fps guesstimate) R17 , seated the 175 HH to 3.33" (my magazine clearance C.O.A.L., and it was only lightly compressed! It came up halfway into the neck. Of course, my rifle will tell me if I can work up that far, but I was surprised it fit! Hot dog!

P.S. This charge is only 56K according to QuickLoad, not 63K Lots of ooomph, less pressure.
 
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Look how close you are with this Lee chart.Lee manual shows the useful case capacity of 4.39cc for the 338-06.Then look at their dipper chart.The largest one they have is 4.3cc.For Reloader 17 it shows 61.7grs.The smallest dipper the have is .17cc.It shows 2.4grs.To keep it simple,lets just divide that amount in half it equals 1.2grs.Add 61.7grs to1.2grs and it comes out to 62.9grs of useful case capacity using Reloader17.People sometimes knock Lee stuff,but I really like their dies and their manual.Their load data is just copy and paste from other manuals,not their data.So it's showing a lot more loads than most other manuals.I guess one thing the others don't usually show is useful case capacity in cc's.I guess one has to look back at how Lee started reloading.Everything was done by hand with everything you needed in a little simple box.The cc chart in the back of the manual makes a quick reference on how much powder you can put in a case.It also shows you how much different in weight by volume different powders are.338-06 case.jpgLee dipper chart.jpg
 
Amazing Tex! I have always liked/enjoyed using Lee products. I take my time reloading, weighing each charge, and seldom load more than 20 ,at most , at a time. So setting my LEE dies has been zero problems for me.
 
If I'm understanding the QL right,you can set it up for say 63k,but some of the powders fall short of 63k if the reach case capacity before that pressure is achieved.Based on that,Reloader17 was not up to that pressure at 110% case fill
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 110.0 64.3 4.17 3031 98.5 56362k pressure
 
Again! Why doesn't people get on Barnes site for data! It does have ttsx210 listed.
 

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