86 winchester 33 wcf

Europe

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Jun 18, 2014
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Fotis and Hodgeman---------Thank you!

I am told the rifle was made in 1915 and is in good condition. it comes with two boxes of ammo from the 1940's . Which I would prefer not to use.

My son tells me that he has found loaded ammo available from Buffalo Arms and a company called SG Ammo, in Oklahoma

My questions

1. does anybody know anything about SG ammo

2. Does anyone have a receipt for making ammo from scratch for this old girl. If not, could some of you reloading ninja's like Dewey, Cole, Nathan, Fotis, Hodgeman, etc, tell me how you would make ammo for this rifle

and I thank you
 

mjcmichigan

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Dec 26, 2016
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Hi April,
I see Midway still sells Lee Pacesetter dies with a shell holder for the 33WCF. While Lee may not be my favorite dies, they normally include recipes. I saw some entrepreneurs willing to sell 33 wcf recipes.
The Hornady has a 200gn FTX which should work in 33WCF velocities.
I’ve gotten recipes from Hornady over the phone for odd cartridges.


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longrangehunter

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Jun 19, 2011
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Looks as thought cases can be made from 45/70 brass, but unfortunately the 200 grain Hornady Flat Point bullet, the only jacketed bullet suitable for the .33 Winchester of which I am aware, was discontinued around 2002.

Reloading data is still available for the .33 WCF. According to the sixth edition of the Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading the .33 Win. can drive a 200 grain Flat Point bullet with a starting load of 35.1 grains of H4895 powder at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 1700 fps. A maximum load of 45.1 grains of H4895 will drive the same bullet to a MV of 2200 fps, about the same as the old factory loads available at the time? Not sure how fast or slow they were though?

Neat gun April, and IMO the greatest Lever Action ever developed by John Moses Browning or anyone for that matter!
 
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Jamison makes brass periodically for the .33WCF. Might be a bit of a wait, Midway USA lists it as "OK to Backorder"

The only really suitable bullet is the 200gr FTX from Hornady.

I don't know anything about SG ammo...but I'd likely buy some to try as any cartridges (or even components) will be tough to come by.
 
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Jamison makes brass periodically for the .33WCF. Might be a bit of a wait, Midway USA lists it as "OK to Backorder"

The only really suitable bullet is the 200gr FTX from Hornady.

I don't know anything about SG ammo...but I'd likely buy some to try as any cartridges (or even components) will be tough to come by.
 

mjcmichigan

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Dec 26, 2016
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I’m shocked. Hornady 9th edition, page 536 has recipes for the 33winchester. The test gun is a Winchester model 1886, 24” barrel, 1:12 twist. WLR primer, maxCOL 2.690”, max case 2.105”, case trim length 2.095”
Hornady bullet # 33104, 200gn FTX, Powders listed include H4198 28.0-34.5gn; IMR3031 33.3-40.0,
H4895 35.1-45.1,
Win748 37.1-43.2
IMR 4064 35.1-41.2
Max velocity was H4895 @2200,
Next was 2100 Win748 and IMR3031


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5shot

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SG Ammo is a good company to deal with.

My dad has an 86 in 33 WCF, but we have never shot it.
 

Europe

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Jun 18, 2014
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great information, thank you all

Hodgeman, do you think Alaska Bullet works would/could make the bullet as it appears Cole is correct about the cases. I will suggest Jamison and Midway as well as SG ( thanks 5shot), as well as Buffalo. Mark sent you a pm

shipmates making fun of my "priorities" I have delayed shoving off to Casablanca by a day or two to get this rifle for my son and the rifle I bought in Austria for Cheyenne sorted out. I am obviously a little eccentric in my old age. I was going to buy a nice Shotgun for Hodgeman but it had a wood stock, so I passed, as I knew he would just replace the 70 year old wood stock with a cheap plastic stock. What you kids do to your guns these days makes an old woman cry. Wait, I could get it for Dr Mike, he understands the beauty and feel of a nice wood stock and is not afraid to take the time to care for it properly. Dr Mike, it feels a little weird discussing a 70 year old shotgun and realizing it is younger than we are. I wished I still looked as good as the old shotgun I am discussing
 

longrangehunter

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Wow April, that's a bold statement! Your life vs. a firearm or material object? I think you've underestimated yourself maybe?

I woke up this morning thinking about your life, sailing around the various Seas, and Oceans, stepping off to the mainland somewhere elegant in its vast history and beauty! I'd like to know how you do it, what does it take, do you have a crew? I admire your freedom to sail across these waters and visiting all those places along the way!

Those guns will last beyond even my lifetime, but your's is unfolding before you each day, and for that reason you have something greater then just age..... The Wisdom of your Lifetime. So thanks for sharing it with us, and I hope you enjoy thinking about it a second time as much as we do hearing about it!
 

FOTIS

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Code:
Cartridge          : .33 Win.
Bullet             : .338, 200, Hornady FP 3315
Useable Case Capaci: 56.219 grain H2O = 3.650 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.795 inch = 70.99 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 39707 psi, or 273 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 107 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

129 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Somchem S365                       105.6     54.5     3.53    2469    96.4    39707    8323   1.257  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60                   97.9     53.2     3.45    2466    95.4    39707    8572   1.255  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                  97.2     52.8     3.42    2458    94.4    39707    8384   1.257  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                            97.2     52.8     3.42    2458    94.4    39707    8384   1.257  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16                 104.8     52.9     3.43    2452    93.5    39707    8228   1.261  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  102.3     55.5     3.60    2447    91.7    39707    8264   1.264  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      103.0     53.4     3.46    2443    92.6    39707    8140   1.274  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52                   92.5     49.5     3.21    2438    96.7    39707    7867   1.269  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                     98.8     52.3     3.39    2426    92.2    39707    8033   1.273  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          101.8     52.2     3.38    2423    92.2    39707    7964   1.268  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         101.8     52.2     3.38    2423    92.2    39707    7961   1.268  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031                            91.0     44.1     2.86    2421    99.7    39707    7284   1.275  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223                      86.1     49.7     3.22    2415    94.9    39707    7733   1.270  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11                   94.3     50.4     3.27    2414    94.1    39707    7772   1.270  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                 98.6     54.4     3.53    2410    89.1    39707    7993   1.267  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     101.9     54.5     3.53    2409    89.1    39707    7981   1.268  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game                    91.2     50.4     3.26    2408    94.0    39707    7691   1.271  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                102.7     54.9     3.56    2407    88.4    39707    7984   1.268  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           107.0     53.1     3.44    2406    92.4    39038    7848   1.283  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        96.2     52.8     3.42    2406    88.0    39707    7895   1.269  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      96.2     52.8     3.42    2406    88.0    39707    7895   1.269  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       94.1     49.3     3.20    2406    95.8    39707    7703   1.295  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          94.1     49.3     3.20    2406    95.8    39707    7703   1.295  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748                      83.8     46.8     3.03    2406    97.1    39707    7465   1.275  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                       86.5     48.9     3.17    2404    96.0    39707    7652   1.286  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       93.9     47.6     3.08    2403    98.9    39707    7498   1.322  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp                     86.5     43.4     2.81    2403   100.0    39707    6705   1.276  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation       86.0     43.4     2.81    2402   100.0    39707    6705   1.276  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                104.5     52.4     3.40    2402    94.6    39707    7600   1.266  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                            90.1     46.7     3.03    2399    94.6    39707    7662   1.288  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       88.3     44.8     2.90    2398    99.9    39707    7247   1.330  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                       96.3     49.3     3.20    2398    95.4    39707    7613   1.296  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70                  104.0     57.4     3.72    2394    85.5    39707    8217   1.267  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        88.8     47.4     3.07    2393    97.9    39707    7382   1.299  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       86.8     47.4     3.07    2393    97.9    39707    7382   1.299  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                          91.4     47.4     3.07    2391    94.5    39707    7577   1.290  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26                 107.0     59.6     3.86    2389    87.2    36423    8788   1.310
Raufoss RA11                        90.8     47.0     3.05    2386    93.8    39707    7552   1.290  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                  90.8     47.0     3.05    2386    93.8    39707    7552   1.290  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation          90.8     47.0     3.05    2386    93.8    39707    7552   1.290  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        95.2     48.3     3.13    2381    95.1    39707    7489   1.295  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 105.8     54.8     3.55    2376    84.5    39707    7762   1.271  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar                   85.9     47.6     3.08    2376    94.4    39707    7405   1.284  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                       86.9     45.0     2.92    2374    95.3    39707    7383   1.293  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation       101.8     53.6     3.47    2372    87.6    39707    7578   1.277  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        92.7     49.1     3.18    2372    91.8    39707    7522   1.294  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                            92.4     47.1     3.05    2371    94.1    39707    7286   1.272  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540                     90.2     47.3     3.06    2370    98.3    39707    7214   1.291  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                          107.0     57.9     3.75    2370    84.0    36948    8335   1.305
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         106.5     55.2     3.58    2370    84.4    39707    7698   1.272  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135                     96.6     45.4     2.94    2370    99.8    39707    6829   1.293  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202                           87.8     44.8     2.90    2367    98.5    39707    7095   1.296  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321                        83.2     46.4     3.01    2366    96.4    39707    7287   1.297  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H                        87.1     45.1     2.93    2366    94.5    39707    7345   1.295  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507                 84.5     45.7     2.96    2365    96.1    39707    7225   1.289  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9                    88.0     47.1     3.05    2364    94.4    39707    7306   1.287  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150                    100.5     49.2     3.18    2364    96.7    39707    7186   1.287  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       107.0     56.1     3.63    2363    86.4    38621    7666   1.293  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322                        83.4     41.9     2.72    2362    99.2    39707    6883   1.284  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062                          91.5     46.1     2.99    2362    96.2    39707    7230   1.303  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516                 88.7     48.9     3.17    2360    91.7    39707    7359   1.285  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341                        87.0     48.5     3.14    2358    94.3    39707    7181   1.284  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        104.6     53.9     3.49    2357    83.6    39707    7601   1.271  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         100.1     51.3     3.32    2357    88.7    39707    7472   1.298  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        103.4     53.6     3.47    2356    84.2    39707    7519   1.273  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          103.4     53.6     3.47    2356    84.2    39707    7519   1.273  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          100.1     53.6     3.47    2356    84.2    39707    7519   1.273  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data      91.8     49.1     3.18    2356    92.0    39707    7307   1.291  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530                     83.7     43.6     2.83    2355    96.3    39707    7125   1.292  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140                     89.9     45.7     2.96    2351    98.8    39707    6860   1.291  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       82.1     45.8     2.97    2348    97.1    39707    7057   1.316  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                        82.4     45.8     2.97    2348    97.1    39707    7057   1.316  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201                           88.3     44.8     2.90    2347    96.2    39707    7145   1.313  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET                      92.3     46.3     3.00    2345    93.4    39707    7146   1.284  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                         92.0     46.3     3.00    2345    93.4    39707    7146   1.284  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR                        85.2     44.1     2.86    2345    96.1    39707    7018   1.292  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 40                   81.5     43.0     2.79    2344    97.5    39707    6937   1.293  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                    87.1     48.4     3.14    2343    91.7    39707    7221   1.301  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                           100.3     51.7     3.35    2342    87.1    39707    7255   1.280  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                          98.1     49.8     3.22    2342    90.5    39707    7289   1.301  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                      102.2     51.8     3.36    2342    86.9    39707    7257   1.280  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                            93.1     45.6     2.95    2341    93.8    39707    7070   1.290  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902                       90.0     45.0     2.91    2340    96.2    39707    7064   1.314  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 50                   91.7     49.5     3.20    2337    89.3    39707    7220   1.295  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4                        80.9     44.9     2.91    2337    97.1    39707    6923   1.311  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12                  83.1     43.9     2.85    2336    99.1    39707    6707   1.292  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       107.0     57.0     3.69    2335    79.0    38821    7722   1.285  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230                       81.9     45.9     2.98    2334    95.4    39707    6978   1.307  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                       85.8     42.2     2.74    2334    98.3    39707    6912   1.331  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation        95.3     49.1     3.18    2333    90.3    39707    7084   1.280  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x                 80.4     39.3     2.55    2331   100.0    39707    6436   1.310  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             104.8     57.3     3.71    2330    83.6    39707    7348   1.277  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC                         85.1     47.6     3.08    2328    90.8    39707    7123   1.296  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation        93.0     48.6     3.15    2328    88.4    39707    7065   1.275  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      103.7     53.0     3.43    2326    82.8    39707    7194   1.280  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015                       83.3     41.3     2.68    2325    99.9    39707    6454   1.317  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator                82.6     45.7     2.96    2323    94.2    39707    6941   1.300  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   106.7     55.9     3.62    2323    80.2    39707    7307   1.278  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4451 Enduron                    94.4     48.3     3.13    2320    88.1    39707    7070   1.288  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                       96.5     49.1     3.18    2319    87.4    39707    7138   1.302  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                          96.5     49.1     3.18    2319    87.4    39707    7138   1.302  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        93.5     49.1     3.18    2319    87.3    39707    7133   1.302  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation        86.3     44.4     2.88    2317    95.1    39707    6812   1.293  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        107.0     56.1     3.63    2315    78.8    38370    7559   1.294  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron                   106.8     53.9     3.49    2312    81.8    39707    7122   1.283  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    107.0     56.7     3.67    2311    77.8    36020    7821   1.325
Somchem S335                        87.0     44.1     2.86    2308    99.1    39707    6534   1.313  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark                   83.6     42.6     2.76    2307    96.8    39707    6660   1.300  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                       107.0     56.1     3.63    2306    81.2    35301    7799   1.335
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       107.0     56.1     3.63    2306    81.2    35301    7799   1.335
Alliant Reloder-22                 107.0     56.1     3.63    2306    81.2    35301    7799   1.335
Vihtavuori N133                     88.3     41.9     2.71    2303    99.8    39707    6223   1.297  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       103.1     56.9     3.69    2301    81.5    39707    7016   1.290  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060                          86.2     43.5     2.82    2301    94.6    39707    6701   1.299  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206                         85.5     43.8     2.84    2295    95.1    39707    6625   1.299  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4166 Enduron                    92.8     46.1     2.99    2293    88.4    39707    6814   1.300  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130                     82.7     40.0     2.59    2288   100.0    39707    6081   1.309  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700                       93.3     50.5     3.27    2276    86.9    39707    6698   1.309  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    107.0     58.9     3.82    2261    74.2    34558    7583   1.356
Alliant Reloder-23                 107.0     54.2     3.52    2250    88.2    31715    7692   1.390
Rottweil R905                      107.0     55.0     3.57    2242    77.5    34352    7229   1.356
Accurate 3100                      107.0     55.5     3.59    2238    85.4    32048    7319   1.394
Winchester WXR                     107.0     54.9     3.55    2232    79.0    32449    7460   1.383
Bofors RP15                        107.0     54.9     3.55    2232    79.0    32449    7460   1.383
Ramshot Magnum                     107.0     60.4     3.91    2229    78.9    35229    7330   1.349
Hodgdon H4831                      107.0     53.9     3.49    2224    77.7    35187    6904   1.347
Vihtavuori N160                    107.0     53.2     3.44    2217    80.1    35429    6693   1.349
Vihtavuori N165                    107.0     54.9     3.55    2204    81.6    33492    6850   1.374
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       107.0     56.5     3.66    2201    73.5    34897    6847   1.356
IMR 7828                           107.0     53.9     3.49    2179    74.5    32264    7008   1.392
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  107.0     59.2     3.84    2153    72.7    32248    7085   1.405
Alliant Reloder-25                 107.0     55.2     3.57    2151    79.5    29608    7291   1.438
PB Clermont PCL 517                107.0     59.2     3.84    2147    72.3    32088    7052   1.408
ADI AP 2214                        107.0     57.6     3.73    2142    72.4    33174    6708   1.387
IMR 7977 Enduron                   107.0     54.9     3.55    2109    68.3    34972    5877   1.376
Lovex S071                         107.0     52.4     3.40    2086    81.2    26569    6722   1.505
Bofors RP30                        107.0     55.5     3.59    2036    69.8    26020    6698   1.539
Norma MRP 2                        107.0     55.5     3.59    2036    69.8    26020    6698   1.539
Hodgdon H1000                      107.0     54.9     3.55    2006    67.7    27981    6023   1.489
ADI AR 2217                        107.0     54.9     3.55    2006    67.7    27981    6023   1.489
Vihtavuori N570                    107.0     58.5     3.79    1964    58.2    25570    6200   1.557
Lovex D100                         107.0     59.7     3.87    1923    58.1    27225    5365   1.539
ADI AR 2225                        107.0     55.8     3.61    1922    64.7    23988    5896   1.583
Hodgdon Retumbo                    107.0     55.8     3.61    1922    64.7    23988    5896   1.583
Vihtavuori N170                    107.0     54.9     3.55    1907    62.2    24026    5588   1.613
Alliant Reloder-33                 107.0     60.2     3.90    1883    55.3    23839    5733   1.612
Vihtavuori 24N41                   107.0     59.1     3.83    1880    52.9    25831    5183   1.574
ReloadSwiss RS 80                  107.0     60.2     3.90    1829    52.8    22810    5361   1.648
ADI AR 2218                        107.0     59.1     3.83    1828    48.6    24149    4966   1.619
Norma 217                          107.0     54.6     3.54    1806    59.7    20094    5540   1.729
Hodgdon H870                       107.0     57.3     3.71    1788    53.7    20760    5216   1.712
Somchem 12.7-0                     107.0     57.3     3.71    1747    47.4    22339    4364   1.686
Hodgdon 50BMG                      107.0     56.3     3.65    1741    46.3    21097    4612   1.711
Hodgdon US 869                     107.0     59.1     3.83    1725    47.9    20757    4566   1.730
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 107.0     58.6     3.80    1713    47.2    18310    4982   1.791
Alliant Reloder-50                 107.0     60.0     3.89    1681    47.0    18120    4854   1.808
SNPE Vectan SP 13                  107.0     56.7     3.67    1679    50.6    18646    4528   1.805
Accurate 8700                      107.0     57.9     3.75    1634    46.0    18771    4064   1.814
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520       107.0     56.7     3.67    1633    47.4    17778    4231   1.845
Vihtavuori 20N29                   107.0     59.7     3.87    1594    43.1    17515    4019   1.862
ADI AS 25 BP                       107.0     18.7     1.21    1581   100.0    36382    2164   1.555
IMR TrailBoss                      107.0     18.7     1.21    1581   100.0    36382    2164   1.555
NC A3502 ,test only                107.0     54.2     3.52    1562    33.8    18512    3145   1.841
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only           107.0     54.2     3.52    1533    35.5    17031    3236   1.900
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only       107.0     54.2     3.52    1125    16.8    10433    1532   2.501
 

hseII

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Fotis and Hodgeman---------Thank you!

I am told the rifle was made in 1915 and is in good condition. it comes with two boxes of ammo from the 1940's . Which I would prefer not to use.

My son tells me that he has found loaded ammo available from Buffalo Arms and a company called SG Ammo, in Oklahoma

My questions

1. does anybody know anything about SG ammo

2. Does anyone have a receipt for making ammo from scratch for this old girl. If not, could some of you reloading ninja's like Dewey, Cole, Nathan, Fotis, Hodgeman, etc, tell me how you would make ammo for this rifle

and I thank you

Don’t Tell Anyone, but SG Ammo is awesome.
 

hseII

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great information, thank you all

Hodgeman, do you think Alaska Bullet works would/could make the bullet as it appears Cole is correct about the cases. I will suggest Jamison and Midway as well as SG ( thanks 5shot), as well as Buffalo. Mark sent you a pm

shipmates making fun of my "priorities" I have delayed shoving off to Casablanca by a day or two to get this rifle for my son and the rifle I bought in Austria for Cheyenne sorted out. I am obviously a little eccentric in my old age. I was going to buy a nice Shotgun for Hodgeman but it had a wood stock, so I passed, as I knew he would just replace the 70 year old wood stock with a cheap plastic stock. What you kids do to your guns these days makes an old woman cry. Wait, I could get it for Dr Mike, he understands the beauty and feel of a nice wood stock and is not afraid to take the time to care for it properly. Dr Mike, it feels a little weird discussing a 70 year old shotgun and realizing it is younger than we are. I wished I still looked as good as the old shotgun I am discussing
why don’t you pull the Bullets/Primer/Powder from the 1940s ammo & reload them?
 

DrMike

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Wait, I could get it for Dr Mike, he understands the beauty and feel of a nice wood stock and is not afraid to take the time to care for it properly. Dr Mike, it feels a little weird discussing a 70 year old shotgun and realizing it is younger than we are. I wished I still looked as good as the old shotgun I am discussing

Oh, yeah, a number of my firearms are more handsome than I. :? That, in itself, is a fascinating subject. Have no idea how that came to be.
 
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Europe":2m3mnxat said:
Hodgeman, do you think Alaska Bullet works would/could make the bullet as it appears Cole is correct about the cases. I will suggest Jamison and Midway as well as SG ( thanks 5shot), as well as Buffalo..... I was going to buy a nice Shotgun for Hodgeman but it had a wood stock, so I passed, as I knew he would just replace the 70 year old wood stock with a cheap plastic stock.


Alaska Bullet Works may well be able to tool up for a run. You could also just run cast bullets. No real need for a jacket at the speeds the .33WCF runs at.

Haha...you might be right on the stock. I love a nice piece of walnut, but it breaks my heart to take them for a walk in the woods.

EDIT to add- Hawk bullets lists three .33WCF bullets in FP profile- a 180, 200 and 215. They will also produce bullets to order.
 
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