Another Day at the Range (2012 02 16)

DrMike

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I invested more time pulling triggers on several rifles today. Here is the stable I took along today.

From right to left are: 35 Whelen, Hawkeye with 3-9 Kahles; 280 Remington Ltd. with Z6 Swarovski; 308 Norma with Huskemaw Blue Diamond 5-20; 6.5 Creedmoor Hawkeye with Leupold VX6; 22-250 AI with Huskemaw 5-20; and 7mm RUM with Huskemaw 5-20 Blue Diamond.

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I'm often asked to share pictures of the rifles I shoot, and I seldom do so. However, I remembered to take a couple of pictures today. This is a 22-250 AI built on a Remington action. It has a 14 twist PacNor barrel. Someone neglected to tell me on the first trip out that this rifle had a slow twist barrel, and they had handed me 60 grain BTs to load. Six to eight inch groups was the norm. Today was another story, however. Fifty grain BTs will give me little tiny groups. I'll give a further report at a later day when I complete load development.

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This is a right hand profile of the same rifle.

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I also have a 7mm RUM (Remington) that has been a bit of a problem. The first lot of brass was not very ductile, and the loads smoked the cases back to the bolt fact. They shot reasonably well and the velocities were what I anticipated, but the brass was not at all malleable. There was no other 7mm RUM brass to be had in this area, so I found some used 300 RUM brass and necked it down to take with me today. The morning temperatures were -12, and each time I pulled the trigger, the rifle went "click" (looooooong pause) "BOOM!" I was reasonably certain it was a dirty firing mechanism, which was rectified in the afternoon. This rifle is scheduled to go with me again. At least, the brass is ductile and the smoking problem is resolved.

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The .308 Norma is built on a Browning action. It was a joy to shoot.

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This was one load development that went very quickly. All the groups were between 0.5 and 1.25 inches. The owner tells me that he is pleased and I can stop. This is one of the targets. He planes to use 210 grain Berger VLDs, and I worked up the load with VN570. I could get more velocity out of Retumbo, but the groups across the spectrum were all between 0.96 and 1.25 inches. I can live with it.

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My Creedmoor still needs some work, but it is coming along. I was shooting 140 grain A-Frames today, and the groups were okay, but not spectacular. However, the 280 continues to shoot very well. I also shot 140 grain A-Frames in that rifle today. This is a sample of what it is doing.

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The 35 Whelen is just a joy to shoot. I loaded up some tests samples centred around the load I was using when this rifle was a 16 twist iteration. Not bad! Not bad, at all.

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In add, a pretty gratifying day at the range. I have to complete work on the 7mm RUM (168 grain VLD) and work up new loads for the 22-250 AI (50 grain BT). I also have a 7mm Wby that will receive attention next (168 grain VLD), as well as a 240 Wby, a 257 Wby and a 7mm STW. So, I have enough to keep me busy for a few days.
 
You don't see many rifles built on the Browning actions that one is nice and the 308 Norma mag is cool. What kind of speeds were you getting with the Norma and your 35 Whelen?
 
The Norma is churning out between 2850 and 3000 fps with 210 grain Berger VLDs. I could get much better accuracy if I had more time to play with it and work on seating depth; but when I spoke with the owner, he instructed me to quit and give him the data. The Whelen is churning out ~2600 fps. I have another set of loads made up with 225 grain PTs and with 225 grain A-Frames which I'll be shooting shortly. I can likely wring another few fps out of the rifle, but the accuracy is sufficiently good that I'm not inclined to push the load at this point.
 
Those are some good loads Mike, your Whelen looks to be a real accurate gun.
 
Gerry,

It'll do (Southern for, "Oh, yeah."). I'm pleased with how it has turned out.
 
Mike,

You had a full schedule at the range. The 35 Whelen is looking good!

JD338
 
Sounds like you had a great day at the range.

Just out of curiosity, are groups generally measured from outside to outside? I was under the impression that they were measured from center to center.
 
Hey Doc, I got some fancy sand bags just like yours... :) Looks like a good day at the range. A nail driving 35 W. Thats gotta be fun! You are tougher than I. At -12 I'm froze stiff as a board. Couldnt even hold a rifle up much less shoot groups like that. CL
 
Another fine shooting Rem 700 Whelen there. What is your impression of the Huskemaws?

CC, the Whelen is built on a Ruger action. The Remington is a .280. I don't own any Huskemaws, though I've shot quite a few. I think they do what they are purported to do. At 0 dark thirty this morning, the Huskemaw couldn't resolve as well as the other scopes when set to a similar power.

Just out of curiosity, are groups generally measured from outside to outside? I was under the impression that they were measured from center to center.

Widgeon, I measure outside to outside and subtract calibre to get the measurement.

Hey Doc, I got some fancy sand bags just like yours...

CL, I prefer the bags. My wife makes them and we fill them with silica sand as there is no dust and they don't draw moisture. She double stitches them, so there is no leakage. As to the temperature, it warmed to 5 C by noon, so it was warming the entire time. There was a westerly wind averaging 6 km/hr and gusting to 12 km/hr after about 10 a.m. However, the early morning was absolutely calm. I am able to shoot to -15. At that temperature, all my solvents freeze and make it almost impossible to clean between groups. Some of the conservation officers were shooting in the shack next door. They built a fire and invited me to share the warmth, but I had so many rifles to shoot that it was impossible to stop. Besides, it was warming as the day progressed. Then, an RCMP constable came down and we shared a few stories until I packed up and headed back to the shop.

In addition to the other rifles I've picked up, I now have a Mannlicher 7mm-08 for load development. I'll add it to the list. It will keep me out of trouble. :grin:
 
Now it makes sense. Thanks for the reply DrMike.

As a carpenter, when I have to measure something center to center, I generally measure outside to inside. I figure it should be the same for group size and just thought that was the way it is done.
 
Consequently, I measure to the outside of the marking rather than the hole as paper has a degree of plasticity before tearing. The outer marking is the point of the bullets passage through the paper.
 
DrMike":1pv6u86t said:
Another fine shooting Rem 700 Whelen there. What is your impression of the Huskemaws?

CC, the Whelen is built on a Ruger action. The Remington is a .280. I don't own any Huskemaws, though I've shot quite a few. I think they do what they are purported to do. At 0 dark thirty this morning, the Huskemaw couldn't resolve as well as the other scopes when set to a similar power.

Heresy!!

Yeah - I read that wrong...
 
Yeah, no one should dis' a Ruger that way! :mrgreen: I should have built it on s Model 70 action, however.
 
DrMike":36s1ck1v said:
I should have built it on s Model 70 action, however.

Never before have I witnessed such a widespread and debilitating case of M-70itis. I'm afraid its forum-wide now. Even BK is starting to show early symptoms. I may have to purchase a CDL in order to stave off the disease.
 
I may have to purchase a CDL in order to stave off the disease.

Denial will only stave off the malady for a brief period and cost you in the long run. :grin: Better get on board now. Consequently, I have a CDL in 257 Roberts that I'll gladly sell in order to pick up a Model 70 chambered in the same cartridge.
 
DrMike":1wfrdgnh said:
I may have to purchase a CDL in order to stave off the disease.

Denial will only stave off the malady for a brief period and cost you in the long run. :grin: Better get on board now. Consequently, I have a CDL in 257 Roberts that I'll gladly sell in order to pick up a Model 70 chambered in the same cartridge.

Or would you be interested in a trade?
 

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If the border weren't between us, I'd likely jump on that deal.
 
I realized that before I made the offer.

I haven't given up on it yet. Lots of things to try before I send it down the river. I try to think of myself as an equal opportunity shooter.
 
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