Anyone "mild down" 300wsm to say...3006 levels?

[kraky1]

Kinda looking for some "meat friendly" loads for whitetail under 200 yds to try in a buddies rifle.
He's looking for 150-165 class bullet loads.
I see some hogdon varget loads look like we could get 150s down around 2900 and 165s down near 2800.
Anyone have any luck w/this type of idea while maintaining accuracy?

 

[filmjunkie4ever]

Use a faster powder like Varget or 4064 and you can do this. I used to put 150 grain Ballistic tips on top of the book starting load of 4064 and get about 2900 fps. It was a real straight shooting load in that Winchester Model 70 (Baco) that I had.

Dale

 

[FOTIS]

Cartridge : .300 WSM (CIP)
Bullet : .308, 165, Hornady SP 3040
Useable Case Capaci: 74.115 grain H2O = 4.812 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4895

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 64 44.00 2364 2047 29268 7933 95.7 1.566
-18.0 66 45.10 2415 2136 30934 8142 96.5 1.534
-16.0 68 46.20 2465 2227 32681 8344 97.2 1.502
-14.0 69 47.30 2516 2318 34512 8537 97.8 1.471
-12.0 71 48.40 2565 2411 36429 8720 98.3 1.441
-10.0 72 49.50 2615 2505 38436 8895 98.8 1.405
-08.0 74 50.60 2664 2600 40538 9059 99.2 1.370
-06.0 76 51.70 2712 2695 42738 9213 99.5 1.336
-04.0 77 52.80 2760 2791 45040 9356 99.7 1.303
-02.0 79 53.90 2808 2888 47450 9487 99.9 1.271
+00.0 81 55.00 2855 2985 49971 9607 100.0 1.241
+02.0 82 56.10 2901 3083 52611 9715 100.0 1.211
+04.0 84 57.20 2947 3181 55374 9819 100.0 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
+06.0 85 58.30 2992 3280 58266 9922 100.0 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
+08.0 87 59.40 3037 3379 61294 10023 100.0 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
+10.0 89 60.50 3081 3478 64465 10122 100.0 1.104 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 81 55.00 2949 3187 57984 9295 100.0 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 81 55.00 2716 2703 41943 9682 97.4 1.346

 

[SJB358]

RL15 and a 165 BT or AB will run around 3k. A touch more than a 30-06 but it's accurate and it'd be hard to tell the difference in recoil I'd think.

The faster powders seem to recoil less, at least from my "shouldometer"

 

[FOTIS]

Cartridge : .300 WSM (CIP)
Bullet : .308, 165, Hornady SP 3040
Useable Case Capaci: 74.115 grain H2O = 4.812 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Accurate 5744

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 55 36.00 2479 2252 37753 6940 100.0 1.411
-18.0 56 36.90 2521 2328 39712 7070 100.0 1.377
-16.0 58 37.80 2562 2405 41738 7199 100.0 1.344
-14.0 59 38.70 2602 2481 43831 7327 100.0 1.313
-12.0 61 39.60 2642 2557 45995 7454 100.0 1.284
-10.0 62 40.50 2681 2634 48230 7580 100.0 1.255
-08.0 63 41.40 2720 2710 50539 7705 100.0 1.228
-06.0 65 42.30 2758 2787 52925 7829 100.0 1.202
-04.0 66 43.20 2796 2864 55389 7953 100.0 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 67 44.10 2833 2941 57935 8075 100.0 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 69 45.00 2870 3019 60565 8196 100.0 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 70 45.90 2907 3096 63281 8316 100.0 1.109 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 72 46.80 2943 3174 66087 8435 100.0 1.088 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 73 47.70 2979 3252 68985 8552 100.0 1.067 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 74 48.60 3015 3331 71980 8669 100.0 1.048 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 76 49.50 3051 3410 75074 8784 100.0 1.029 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 69 45.00 2908 3099 67067 8084 100.0 1.086 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 69 45.00 2816 2905 53629 8354 100.0 1.189

 

[Anonymous]

I've used Trail Boss (24gr) to launch Speer 150s are 1800fps. Very friendly recoil levels. Never shot any big game with them, but damage to fur bearers isn't dramatic and I see no reason it wouldn't be just fine on whitetails at typical whitetail ranges. Accuracy isn't great (2MOA) but that is typically plenty for the ranges they're useful at.

4895 will basically allow you to duplicate an '06.

As food for thought- why not shoot some good controlled expansion 180gr bullets instead? Meat loss with 180ABs@2900 isn't bad in my .300WSM and ETips or TSX would be less still. Lots of great 180gr bullets in the .300WSM factory loads these days if reloads are inconvenient. A harder, slower bullet will tear up less edible bits than a soft bullet travelling fast.

 

[tddeangelo]

H4895 was going to be my suggestion, but I see FOTIS got it already.

I'm running it in my daughter's 7WSM for 120bt's getting around 2350-2400 at the muzzle. Seems to be working well...shoots under an inch and killed her a nice 6pt this season.

I can't imagine it wouldn't be similarly capable (H4895) when applied to the 300 wizzum.

 

[Silent Sam]

Although you will cut recoil down some with 150-165s at 2800-2900fps, I got to agree with hodgeman's last paragraph. I guess it depends if you are wanting a "go to" load or not. I like to get set up and zeroed with a load that I'd use for everything I'd use that rifle for. I hate re-zeroing for different loads and trying to figure out what the last load I shot was. The WSMs I have like to be run at or near full throttle. That's not to say they won't shoot reduced loads. There just isn't much point in doing it for me. Don't shoot 'em where you eat.

 

[Anonymous]

. I like to get set up and zeroed with a load that I'd use for everything I'd use that rifle for.... Don't shoot 'em where you eat.

I agree with you there- I'm typically a "one load per rifle" guy. I shoot darn near everything with a 180gr AB at 2925fps. Very little that won't solve- moose, caribou, bears, wolves, sheep, goat. I can't legally hunt bison up here with it (although I'd have no reservations about its effectiveness)...but that tag is so long odds I'll just buy a new rifle if I draw it.

 

[kraky1]

Thanks for the input so far. Our deer hunting here in Wis can be different from other areas. Alot of it involves thick woods. There are times you can barely see the deer. Maybe you're lucky and see the entire buck at one time....often its bits and pieces. I'd bet most Wis deer are taken under 50 yds and not shooting what you eat isn't always an option either. Thus the desire to detune a bit.