bedding question

[caribouhunter]

hi all!
last winter i bedded my savage 16flhss to try and improve accuracy i only glass bedded the action and stopped at the barrel nut. i tought i'd try it like that first and if it didn't work, i'd bed the first 4 " of the barrel just in front of the barrel nut also.
well...i'm there. want to try this. the rifle will often shoot 3-4 shot in 3/4" and the other 1 or 2 are fliers that enlarge the group to1-1/4". since it has a sporter barrel i've read that i'd be better serve with the first few inches bedded or even with a pressure point.
now after trying my remington free floated without success i re-did a pressure point and it's awesome. but this one has a solid laminated stock.with the flex in the savage stock, i'm afraid the POI might shift depending on how different pressure is put on the forearm (using bi-pod or off- hand shooting for example) i think bedding the first 4" of the barrel will make it less sensitive to that ( what do you think)

so now, how do i do it?
do i put devcon in the barrel channel and tape the stock to the action like i did when bedding the action?
or do i screw the stock to the action, like i would when normally putting the rifle together, so that i'm sure the action is acually thight in is bedded place?
do i put a little weight to the front swivel stud, like when building a pressure point?

your 2 cents is welcome!
Thank's
CH

 

[Mountain Goat]

IMHO, I don't think that bedding a partial amount in front of the nut/recoil lug will do anything at all. With the groups you are getting, I think I'd call it good. A sporter weight barrel that shoots around an inch without a shift in POI is golden. The only thing to do to channge it would be to full-length bed the entire barrel, but that is just too 1970's for most shooters. :|

 

[BeeTee]

For rifles with a sporter weight barrel, I bed the recoil lug area and the first 1 to 2" of the barrel channel at the same time, with the action screws tightened to about 2/3 of normal torque. For a varmint weight barrel, I bed the first 4" of the barrel channel along with the recoil lug area. In either case, the rifle is held vertical while the bedding compound cures. Bedding the first section of the barrel provides some support for the barrel and reduces bending stress on the action.
Jim

 

[caribouhunter]

thank's MG and beetee
i dont really care what most shooter's think. even if it' just too 1910 but make it shoot great i will do it :lol:
that sure would stiffen that piece of plastic :!:

somebody did this! bed the whole barrel?
is there something to know about this method or do i only fill the barrel channel with devcon, and put the action
back in it's place like when putting the rifle back together (of course i will wax all barrel from bolt nut to tip of forearm)

do you guys think a can try bedding the first 2" first and if it don't shoot to my liking fill the rest?
must be easier to add some then to remove :lol:

 

[BeeTee]

Personally, I'd get a bedding kit like:
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1038 ... S_GEL_reg_

It has the release agent and instructions, in addition to the bedding compound. I'd not bed too much of the rifle at a time - do it in sections/stages. The action is pretty well stuck to the stock even when doing it in sections and when correctly using the right release agent.

I wouldn't have faith in a barrel bedded full-length on a wooden stock. The wood moves around too much, and it'll move the point of aim.

Jim

 

[caribouhunter]

Thank's beetee
My action is already bedded with devcon steel putty.
And I still have plenty for the job. My stock is Plastic
Will try bedding the first 2" today and will go shoot it tomorrow
We'll see if it improve something

 

[rick smith]

caribou, are you letting the barrel cool between shots? if the first 3-4 are in 3/4" and the start walking-might be barrel heat and bedding the first few inches of action will not stop that. How many rounds do you shoot at game? Work on the load, different primers, seating depth, weight of powder, type of powder.Rick.

 

[tddeangelo]

Thank's beetee
My action is already bedded with devcon steel putty.
And I still have plenty for the job. My stock is Plastic
Will try bedding the first 2" today and will go shoot it tomorrow
We'll see if it improve something

Ok, you have an issue here that you may never fully solve. You have a plastic stock.

I have a plastic-stocked Winchester. It drove me to fits. The bedding work, not much change.

Putting in pillars, however, took it from a 1.2-1.6" gun to a MOA or slightly lower gun.

Bedding cleaned up groups that ranged from 1.5-2.3 inches and kept them all at about 1.5MOA or so.

Pillars really did the trick after that.

Next year, it gets a composite stock and I burn that dang plastic stock with a big smile on my face while I watch it go up in smoke, lol.

 

[SJB358]

Thank's beetee
My action is already bedded with devcon steel putty.
And I still have plenty for the job. My stock is Plastic
Will try bedding the first 2" today and will go shoot it tomorrow
We'll see if it improve something

Ok, you have an issue here that you may never fully solve. You have a plastic stock.

I have a plastic-stocked Winchester. It drove me to fits. The bedding work, not much change.

Putting in pillars, however, took it from a 1.2-1.6" gun to a MOA or slightly lower gun.

Bedding cleaned up groups that ranged from 1.5-2.3 inches and kept them all at about 1.5MOA or so.

Pillars really did the trick after that.

Next year, it gets a composite stock and I burn that dang plastic stock with a big smile on my face while I watch it go up in smoke, lol.

I like where your heads at Tom.. I still have an extra M70 plastic stock if you wanna work on that! :shock:

 

[caribouhunter]

A little update
I beddedbthe first 3" of the barrel under the chamber.
I went to test the change, and it seems to have improved things.
But due to pouring rain I only fired 6 shots. first 3 shot group had the 1st and 3rd round in the same hole and the second made it a 0.53" group.
I then tried a 400 yard group but due to high vegetation I was only able to see the target if I Used a cheap folding legs table in the back of my uncle's truck. Not really stable but managed a 4.16" group in the center of the target but 2" below bull's eye.
can't wait to try again and see if it holds

 

[SJB358]

That sounds like it worked! Man, a 4" group at 400 sounds pretty decent for a shaky rest. That really sounds like it did the trick. 1/2" groups don't happen on accident most of the time. Scotty

 

[DrMike]

The four inch plus group at 400 yards will take any game in North America. Good shooting.

 

[Elkman]

A great group, as Dr M says good for about anything, as well as great shooting.