Blood-trailing with dogs

noslerpartition

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Blood-trailing shor game with dogs has q long tradition over here and actually in Germany, you are obliged to do it. You can't lease land unless you have a dog available (doesn't have to be yours)'
I have watched dogs following trails for miles, finally finding the game.
I know lot's of you guys are not allowed to do that.
Why is that?
What is the idea of rather loosing game, maybe having it die slowly, instead of allowing trailing with dogs?
No pun intended.
I just want to understand...

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mjcmichigan

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Makes sense no sense to me.

Keine Ahnung

We can do it now in Michigan, but generally, it’s “special” deer we’d do it for.

Might have to do with anti hunters not wanting us to recover game.


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Rol_P

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Back in early 1980's the NYS DEC licensed a trial group to trail wounded deer using German bloodline Wire Haired Dachsuns. Now "Deer Search" has blossomed into a wide spread "Go To" group with trained dogs if you are faced with a possible lost animal and need assistance. Their start coincided whith my venture into Bow Hunting, coupled with red-green color blindness. Deer Search and their dogs, along with friends of mine helped me retrieve animals that would have been otherwise lost.
After learning the skills required I became a bow hunting instructor for NYS DEC and included material about tracking with dogs as an aide at difficult times when tracking.
 

noslerpartition

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Those 'Teckel' are very good trailing dogs. If you teach them to stay out of fox-dens ;-)

Actually, a friend breeds them and takes some to the USA from time to time.

For simpler trailing, any hunting breed will do. For the difficult ones most use one of the 'Schweißhund' races (Bavarian or Honnoverisch), but others like Kopovs do very well, too. German wirehair like Guy's Maverick are very common, though their domain was small game hunting.
Nowadays they are used as allrounders, including driven hunts.

My red-green sight is limited, too. Always happy to have my girlfriend and/or a dog at hand, if they do not fall in sight.

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WV new regulation this year allows using dogs on a leash to trail wounded deer. Good thing. Dan.
 

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wvbuckbuster":1em2pu1a said:
WV new regulation this year allows using dogs on a leash to trail wounded deer. Good thing. Dan.
Good news!
Do you have a dog available?

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This is Rala after her first contact with a deer leg.
Followed a trail for 200y with 3 90° angles.they just have it in them.

Guess you can see how proud she was...
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noslerpartition":1ivvihnn said:
wvbuckbuster":1ivvihnn said:
WV new regulation this year allows using dogs on a leash to trail wounded deer. Good thing. Dan.
Good news!
Do you have a dog available?

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None available at the moment. Dan.
 

noslerpartition

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Take a dog with hunting genes and try.
As stated, Rala didn't no sh** about hunting.
But it is in her.

Start with easy trails. 100y, rather straight.

Go on with starting 1 to x hours after laying the trail.
Put in some angles.

And be generous with praise if they succeed.
And not too hard if they don't.
Put them back on the last spot they were on track and let them try again.

I would have missed game less than 100y from where it was shot.
Dog looked at me like saying 'honestly? It's right over there!'

Was in thick brush, but a no-brainer for a skilled nose

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In much of the U.S. it is strictly prohibited to use dogs to hunt big game. Most states put heavy regulations on the use of dogs to locate wounded game, I believe it is to prevent people using dogs to locate/pursue unwounded critters. I live in New Mexico, and up to about a year ago dogs had to be registered with the game and fish department in order to be used in the recovery of big game animals. Luckily that has been changed and you can use any dog to track and recover but only after the animal has been wounded and the dog must be kept on a leash at all times. There's some cultural differences on how game is pursued and what a dog is expected to perform.
I run german short hairs (I guess you would just call it a short hair) and like most Americans I focus the training on birds and small game. A good friend of mine breeds, trains and tests Drahthaars in the German system, his emphasis is tracking with some bird work thrown in, and it's interesting to me that Europeans put a great deal of importance on a dogs ability to hunt and track everything that a hunter is likely to pursue, makes sense to me as it makes for a truly versatile hunting dog.
 

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Tobey284":1en4fx34 said:
In much of the U.S. it is strictly prohibited to use dogs to hunt big game. Most states put heavy regulations on the use of dogs to locate wounded game, I believe it is to prevent people using dogs to locate/pursue unwounded critters. I live in New Mexico, and up to about a year ago dogs had to be registered with the game and fish department in order to be used in the recovery of big game animals. Luckily that has been changed and you can use any dog to track and recover but only after the animal has been wounded and the dog must be kept on a leash at all times. There's some cultural differences on how game is pursued and what a dog is expected to perform.
I run german short hairs (I guess you would just call it a short hair) and like most Americans I focus the training on birds and small game. A good friend of mine breeds, trains and tests Drahthaars in the German system, his emphasis is tracking with some bird work thrown in, and it's interesting to me that Europeans put a great deal of importance on a dogs ability to hunt and track everything that a hunter is likely to pursue, makes sense to me as it makes for a truly versatile hunting dog.
Hi Tobey
Yes, we call them Deutsch Kurzhaar or just Kurzhaar (=shorthair).
Most of our 'Vorsteh-Hunde' (means more or less Pointer) go back to common ancestors, like shorthair, wirehair, Münsterländer and longhair. Since small game became rare in many places, they are used as alrounders now.
They have to pass a test before you can use them hunting which includes blood-trailing. Around 450 y, if I remember correctly.
For rhe specialists, it is much longer and up to 48 hours old. Watching a 'Schweißhund' work is fascinating. Calm on the trail, but if you unleash them to bind wounded game that is still mobile, that changes!!

My dog was much more agitated and faster on the trail, usually with the nose up, not down on the trail. Still found a few deer in thick brush that I might have not found that easily.

Now we train the Jack Russell for that. Easier to get up on the box-stand and keeps your feet warm ;-)

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In most of America a guy with a dog can go for a walk. Not the shooter. And just happen to come across a blood trail. No gun on guy with dog of course. If the dog happens on a dead animal. No reason not to holler out OVER HERE!!!! just in case the shooter is still around.
 

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baltz526":18ip5kgx said:
In most of America a guy with a dog can go for a walk. Not the shooter. And just happen to come across a blood trail. No gun on guy with dog of course. If the dog happens on a dead animal. No reason not to holler out OVER HERE!!!! just in case the shooter is still around.
Yeah, coincidences can happen.

Somehow paths of dog-walkers and bloodtrails may cross ;-)

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