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you're tired, or in a hurry, or both. I had an interesting range trip this week. One I'm not likely to soon forget. I got the chance to take a client shooting this week (which means I'm at the range, and yet, at work at the same time!). Well, it's Thanksgiving week, so I am a little busy, as you can imagine. To make it moreso, my mom needs her little pickup worked on becuase it's leaking coolant, so I spend all of Monday night replacing her heater control valve and refilling her radiator. Now, I'm trying to get ammo loaded for this range trip, and I go through several different rifles. I'm careful - only one set of dies, brass, etc. on the bench at a time, and only one open can of powder at a time, too. But I'm a little tired, and I am in a hurry, trying to get all this stuff ready to take my client to the range. So Wednesday I go out to the range to meet him. I get there first, set everything up, and get out some of my guns to start shooting. All is going along fine, though accuracy is not what I want - still acceptable at 1-1.5" for all my rifles with known loads, though. It's a little windy, and I'm anxious, so I'm not too irritated. Now to the good part, but first a little background.

I've been working with a couple of rifles for a friend of mine, one of which is a 7mmRemMag in a Remington 700 with a 26" barrel. Everything has been disamally slow in this rifle up to now - like 250-300fps slower than book values for 24" barrels. I know variation occurs, but this has been a real stumper. Oddly enough, it is pretty darn accurate at really low speed - like 175gr bullets at 2500fps or so. Now, my friend wants faster, and I can't say as I blame him. So he asked me what he ought to try for it, and I said I'd look at a good 160gr bullet over a nice, slow powder. Enter the 160AB, which has been accurate with other loadings we've tried in this rifle, only at low velocity, and IMR7828. I load up a workup straight out of the Nosler #5 on my bench, cross referenced with the Lyman #48 and Hornady #7 for good measure. I'm being safety conscious - even wearing my safety glasses. I go through loading, and right as I'm about to load the max charge group of rounds, my wife pops up and asks me a question. I walk down the hall and get some information off the computer and then head back to the load bench. I go to load the rounds, and I see that my scale is off - Somehow it is now reading 50, not 60gr on the 'big' weight. So I reset it, rezero it (again, safety first), and check the manual to be sure I'm loading the right charge. Three very consistent rounds later, and I'm done with the 7mmRemMag stuff. On to the 270Wby. I load up a bunch of these, using the same IMR7828 and some 130gr E-Tips at the max load I've already worked up to in a previous range session - that I recall being very accurate - 74gr.

Now, back at the range, I'm not getting great accuracy out of the 130gr E-Tips in the 270Wby, but not terrible, either - about 1.2" or so, in the wind. I hit the 7mmRemMag to let the Weatherby cool down a bit, and the first three loads are nice, accurate, and moving at 2600fps. I'm happy with the group (just under 1") but the velocity bites. So I go through the workup. Velocity increases a little along, until I get to the final three rounds. Everything has been going along fine, mind you, and I chamber the first of these three. Now, with what the velocities have been doing, I figure I'm going to get something like 2900-2950 out of this load, which is fast, but not as fast as I'd like. Well, I pull the trigger, and feel hot gases come back against my face, around my safety glasses (which I am highly thankful for at this point). I think to myself, "Crap, pierced a primer," and go to open the bolt to check it out. As I'm doing so, I glance at the chrono readout - 3420 is clearly displayed. And, the bolt is stuck. Now I'm starting to freak a bit. I've never done this before, in 15yrs of handloading, and I hate to start now. I apply some palm force to the bolt, and get it to open, after a lot of pushing. I get it slid back, and the case does not look good - lots of scratches on the brass. And it won't eject. I can't get it off the boltface with my fingertip, either, so I pull the bolt and case out through the back of the action. I'm easily able to pull the case free now, and the primer falls on the bench. It wasn't pierced. The case stretched so far it blew out the pocket! I'm sitting there staring at this, and wondering now if I have ruined my buddy's rifle. Now, not wanting to appear a fool when my client shows up to sight in his rifle, I tidy up my workspace and give this gun a cursory checkover and then put it back in the cab of my truck. I take a couple of minutes with my trusty 30-30 to get back in the groove of shooting, and then start in on a 300Wby that is owned by the same friend whose 7Mag I just had the issue with.

Incidentally, the rest of the day was uneventful save a couple of nice groups with the 30-30 and the 300Wby, and some fair groups with my 270Wby and my 8x57. Hornady LeverEvolution ammo for the 30-30 is very accurate, by the way, but nothing like the 2400fps Hornady claims - I got 2170fps from my 20" Winchester Model 94, but thee shots went into just over an inch, which I'll take. So, other than being a testament for wearing shooting glasses, and not being a dumb handloader, and not loading when you're in a hurry and tired, it was a good day.

After I got home, I did a post mortem on the two remaining rounds (that I did not fire) from that 'max charge' group and found them to be 10gr too heavy a charge. Very dangerous situation, indeed. To be sure, I don't believe the rifle develops pressure at the same rate as some, in as much as it won't achieve velocity like other 7Mags, and it also appears to have a slightly longer shoulder length after firing than other 7Mag brass I've looked at and compared to, so I think I am a tad insulated from the pressure spike based on chamber volume being somewhat large. But, on a final note, what are the chances I'm buying my buddy a new 7mmRemMag? I don't see anything wrong with the rifle, but I don't know if I would see it with the naked eye. The bolt doesn't appear, to the naked eye, to have any issues with the lugs or and stress cracks visible - just a lot of brass on the bolt face that I'll have to clean off. The gun didn't act funny other than the blowback, and it seems to be fine when I cycle it and look into the chamber from the breech. Would one load well over pressure ruin an action and chamber, or is it likely the gun withstood this one event and I should range test it with some standard rounds and see what I get?

It sure pays to be careful. Even if you've been loading for 15yrs, and you think you're being careful, check it again. And don't load tired and in a hurry. I won't, ever again.
 
7mm OopsTW..... 3420FPS, that is moving out of a 7mm Rem!!! No idea if that was enough to consider the action unsafe, talk to the Nosler tech line 1(800)285-3701 or the sierra one.

I would say to err on the side of caution, with the action taken over by that much, that you may not be able to guarantee safe operation from this point forward and would assume a certain amount of liability.

It would be an easier fix if you wanted that 7mm...

CC.
 
I can relate. It only happened once and I realized my mistake so dismantled the 5-6 rounds that were screwed up before putting them in the rifle, but distractions or just being tired do not compliment safe reloading.

What is really bad is loading the powder and then realizing you forgot to prime the cases. Yep, did that a couple of times. Whoever invented post-its (sticky notes) was a genius. I now have an appropriate sticky asking " are the primers in?"
:roll:
Long
 
longwinters":1clsq6uw said:
I can relate. It only happened once and I realized my mistake so dismantled the 5-6 rounds that were screwed up before putting them in the rifle, but distractions or just being tired do not compliment safe reloading.

What is really bad is loading the powder and then realizing you forgot to prime the cases. Yep, did that a couple of times. Whoever invented post-its (sticky notes) was a genius. I now have an appropriate sticky asking " are the primers in?"
:roll:
Long

I also have forgot to prime cases. I got excited about a new bullet and powder combo and forget about the primer.
Pulling bullets and dumping powder to prime the case safely really makes a guy feel smart. :oops:
 
Cartridge : 7 mm Rem. Mag.
Bullet : .284, 160, Nosler AccuBond 54932
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.290 inch or 83.57 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm
Powder : IMR 7828

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 89 57.60 2673 2539 38429 10755 94.7 1.525
-18.0 91 59.04 2742 2671 41284 11048 95.8 1.473
-16.0 93 60.48 2811 2807 44358 11320 96.8 1.425
-14.0 96 61.92 2879 2945 47675 11571 97.6 1.377
-12.0 98 63.36 2948 3087 51254 11798 98.4 1.332
-10.0 100 64.80 3016 3231 55123 11999 99.0 1.288 ! Near Maximum !
-08.0 102 66.24 3084 3378 59307 12174 99.4 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
-06.0 105 67.68 3151 3527 63839 12320 99.7 1.206 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-04.0 107 69.12 3218 3679 68758 12436 99.9 1.167 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-02.0 109 70.56 3284 3832 74099 12522 100.0 1.130 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0 111 72.00 3350 3987 79889 12591 100.0 1.093 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 113 73.44 3415 4144 86159 12655 100.0 1.059 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 116 74.88 3480 4303 92977 12713 100.0 1.025 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 118 76.32 3545 4464 100409 12765 100.0 0.993 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 120 77.76 3609 4627 108527 12810 100.0 0.962 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 122 79.20 3673 4794 117418 12848 100.0 0.932 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 111 72.00 3468 4272 96665 12066 100.0 1.016 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 111 72.00 3170 3569 64082 12960 98.0 1.197 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
 
dubyam

Anybody that's reloaded for a while has had that happen. We've all been scared/shocked/bewildered. Your rifle is probably fine becauese the proof loads are above what you shot. The bolt could get set back by multiple shots in that pressure range. A go/no guage will tell you if your gun is allright. It is probably so . I have gone thrue this more than a few times with new rifles with tight chambers and have only once had to have major work done. It was two grains under max and it jammed the ejector and dislocated the extractor. It required drilling out the ejector. In other words your rifle is ok if it all works ok but if your concerned by all means take it to a competent gunsmith.
Good Hunting
Elkhunt :grin:
 
Dubyam, since you were able to open the bolt with hand pressure, and didn't have to beat it open with a block of wood, and hammer, I'm encouraged. In addition, you were able to dislodge the case with your hand, and didn't have to beat the case off the end of your bolt on the loading bench. I've seen both of the conditions I've described, usually from someone shooting reloads from an unknown source, occur in rifles of a lesser quality then Reminton 700. They were still modern bolt action rilfes, and in each case, they were fine when again fired with normal pressrue loads. Of course, your milage may vary, but I don't see one 90K load causing huge damage to a Remington 700 auction, in good repair.
 
That can be scary I'v forgot primers and even forgot powder but caught it before I went to the range so far I'v been lucky and its real hard to explain to a 6 and 3 year old how dangerous reloading is while their running around and being out of control so back up stairs they go.
 
In fact i was shooting the same bullet.
Only I was using a 7mmSTW. I got 3400 with the 160 grain AccuBond , and thats a bout 150 to 200 FPS fast.
I had some cratering on the primer, but that was the only problem
Stll I decided not to shoot any more.
Pulled a bullet and my charge was 5 grains to high. It was a nice cool day wonder what might have happed if it was 95 out !
Another time I did up a batch for the same rifle, and then noticed that I was using the wrong powder.
Its been along time ago, and I can't remember the particulars but I think it was 70 some odd grains of varget.
Now that might have been rather exciting, don't you think ?
...tjRoberts.
 
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