E-tip vs Barnes
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Guy Miner
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Might take a bit - the E-tip is so new, most of us don't have field experience with them.
I have used the Barnes TSX, and can say it's the first Barnes bullet that really worked for me. Good accuracy, very lethal results on game. Despite being better about copper-fouling than the earlier X bullets, the soft copper TSX still fouls rough factory barrels pretty significantly.
Am looking forward to trying the E-Tip myself one of these days. Suspect it will do away with the copper-fouling issue.
Regards, Guy
I have used the Barnes TSX, and can say it's the first Barnes bullet that really worked for me. Good accuracy, very lethal results on game. Despite being better about copper-fouling than the earlier X bullets, the soft copper TSX still fouls rough factory barrels pretty significantly.
Am looking forward to trying the E-Tip myself one of these days. Suspect it will do away with the copper-fouling issue.
Regards, Guy
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hadpan,
What information are you looking for?
Here is a link on some testing I did with the 7mm 150 gr E-Tip.
http://noslerreloading.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8297
Hope this helps.
JD338
What information are you looking for?
Here is a link on some testing I did with the 7mm 150 gr E-Tip.
http://noslerreloading.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8297
Hope this helps.
JD338
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JD you beat me to it.
What info are you looking for?
Accuracy, pressures, expansion, penetration (not an issue) etc?
What info are you looking for?
Accuracy, pressures, expansion, penetration (not an issue) etc?
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Don't know if you guys get Barnes Newsletter that is e-mailed to people who sign up but.....they just took a slam at the e-tip and ballistic coefficient. Barnes pretty much said their coeficient is correct and the e-tip is optimistic. To prove it they loaded up some very accurate barnes loads and some very inaccurate loads for the e-tip and then measured the bc at the target. Well when a bullet is wobbling so bad it shoots a 5" group it is gonna have a lousy bc which is how they played the game. Bottom line is in their report whichever bullet was more accurate had the best bc.
Guy Miner
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Maybe it's time for me to load up some E-tips on my Wilson BR dies and shoot them through my .308 Krieger... Then compare them with Barnes TSX bullets shot though some junker .308 with 10,000 rounds through the barrel? :grin:
I like TSX's just fine, and haven't even tried an e-tip yet - but let's compare apples to apples - good loads for both!
Regards, Guy
I like TSX's just fine, and haven't even tried an e-tip yet - but let's compare apples to apples - good loads for both!
Regards, Guy
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For correct scientific data all variables must be as identical as possible.
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Okay - I'll get some of each and shoot them both from the Krieger barrel...
Sheesh... Killjoy... :grin:
Sheesh... Killjoy... :grin:
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The 7mm 150 gr E-Tip shoots just fine in my 280 AI. SHor this group this afternoon at 100 yds. Group measures .300" c/c.
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JD338":2vy7xgob said:The 7mm 150 gr E-Tip shoots just fine in my 280 AI. SHor this group this afternoon at 100 yds. Group measures .300" c/c.
JD338
Outstanding group, very nice, what were the velocities or estimated velocities. It will be good to hear from you this hunting season and see the results you have on game. Once again very nice group and can I assume you are shooting a Nosler rifle? If not what make of rifle?.
PS - Very nice picture
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bullet,
Velocity is running 2950 fps. Rifle is a M700 w/ a blueprinted action,, Tubb recoil lug, Hart #5 fluted 24" barrel, pillar bedded in a Remington LSS stock.
The scope in this picture is a Mark 4 4.5x14 but the rifle is now wearing a Vari X III 2.5x8 with M1 dials.
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Velocity is running 2950 fps. Rifle is a M700 w/ a blueprinted action,, Tubb recoil lug, Hart #5 fluted 24" barrel, pillar bedded in a Remington LSS stock.
The scope in this picture is a Mark 4 4.5x14 but the rifle is now wearing a Vari X III 2.5x8 with M1 dials.
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I'm impressed, Jim. I was looking over your notes and can't read the seating distance from the lands. It looks like it could say .9"? That seems long, but then again, if you're getting accuracy like that, I'm going to start trying that in my 270Wby with the 130gr E-Tips. I haven't had good results so far with them, but my loading is limited to a couple of combinations so far, so not exhaustive by any stretch.
I'd love to accelerate my learning curve by using your experience. Any tips?
I'd love to accelerate my learning curve by using your experience. Any tips?
I have very limited experience with both the E-Tip and the Barnes Bullets. However....
Years ago I tried the Original X bullet in my .25-06 and just flat could not get it to shoot. I then tried the "nex" X Boatail. Same result. I gave up on Barnes at that point.
I've been shooting the E-Tip out of my .300 Win Mag only at paper. I did happen to find 2 expanded E-Tips in the dirt, they look great, but I know, they were just in the dirt. I'm getting right at 3,000fps with the 180gr E-Tip and groups right around an inch. One I weighed. This bullet was found in the dirt about 200 yards from where it was shot ended up being 176.5 grains.
My buddy is shooting them out of his 7mm-08 (the 140grain E-Tip). Meciocre velocity, 2,650fps if I remember right. I found one of his bullets beautifully expanded in the dirt as well.
Yesterday while we were deer hunting, he ended up shooting a coyote right at about 200 yards, braodside with the 7mm-08 and the 140gr E-Tip. I've taken photos of the coyote and the exit hole and will post when I figure out how. Seemed the bullet expanded very well on such a small animal.
He also loaded the 140gr E-Tips in a 7mm Mag he has. He shot a 3 shot group averaging around 2,950fps and a 3/4 inch group. That group equals the best group he has ever shot with that rifle. He'd basically given up on the 7 Mag because it was not much of a shooter. Now he is interested again.
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Years ago I tried the Original X bullet in my .25-06 and just flat could not get it to shoot. I then tried the "nex" X Boatail. Same result. I gave up on Barnes at that point.
I've been shooting the E-Tip out of my .300 Win Mag only at paper. I did happen to find 2 expanded E-Tips in the dirt, they look great, but I know, they were just in the dirt. I'm getting right at 3,000fps with the 180gr E-Tip and groups right around an inch. One I weighed. This bullet was found in the dirt about 200 yards from where it was shot ended up being 176.5 grains.
My buddy is shooting them out of his 7mm-08 (the 140grain E-Tip). Meciocre velocity, 2,650fps if I remember right. I found one of his bullets beautifully expanded in the dirt as well.
Yesterday while we were deer hunting, he ended up shooting a coyote right at about 200 yards, braodside with the 7mm-08 and the 140gr E-Tip. I've taken photos of the coyote and the exit hole and will post when I figure out how. Seemed the bullet expanded very well on such a small animal.
He also loaded the 140gr E-Tips in a 7mm Mag he has. He shot a 3 shot group averaging around 2,950fps and a 3/4 inch group. That group equals the best group he has ever shot with that rifle. He'd basically given up on the 7 Mag because it was not much of a shooter. Now he is interested again.
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dubyam,
I'm .100" off the lands. I tried .040", .050", .060", and .080"" off the lands and groups from 1.25" to .9". Nothing that great when I know what this rifle will do but .100" off the lands hit the jackpot. Plenty good for my hunting needs.
JD338
I'm .100" off the lands. I tried .040", .050", .060", and .080"" off the lands and groups from 1.25" to .9". Nothing that great when I know what this rifle will do but .100" off the lands hit the jackpot. Plenty good for my hunting needs.
JD338
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