Factory seconds and accuracy

The issue that I had with four bags from one lot (200 bullets) of factory seconds, was that despite being told differently about second's quality, the bullets varied in weight by 1.2 grains for 210 gr .338 Partitions.

Normal distribution and weight variation of retail purchased 210 gr Partitions is about 0.5 grains per box with 96% grouping closely within 0.3 grains. Because of the large disparity of the seconds lots that I received, Nosler offered to and has replaced the 4 bags of seconds, (200) bullets. They have in fact replaced these bullets with factory first bullets and I am back in business with my favorite Partition bullet.

I was having group single flier issues trying to develop loads for the .340 Weatherby and .338 Federal rifles that I shoot this bullet in. Part of the problem was bullet variation and part was trigger creep issues with the Weatherby Mark V.

While I waited for the new bullets to arrive after the Nosler plant fire, I installed a Timney trigger in the Japanese Mark V having to fashion machine screw myself with a Dremel toll from local hardware metric screws that were too long and too large in head diameter. The old #2 Phillips head screws were soft MEM parts and the screws head phillips opening had been burred out by the former gun owner which that I had to drill out the soft metric screws and replace them. A Sears Easy Out kit had no effect on the soft heads of the Mark V Japanese screws. The new screws are real steel screws and are socket had cap screws that I shortened and refashioned to fit the rifle.

This trigger change, all by itself brought my 210 Nosler factory bullet groups down below one inch at 100 yards. No creep and clean break in the new trigger underlying this accuracy break through along with the new factory replacement bullets that Nosler was kind enough to send me.
 
OT3, would you buy 2nds again? Just wondering. I know you had some issues with them shooting for you with your old trigger, but do you think you might not have ever noticed the problem if you had your Timney in the rifle. Just wondering, I know you put alot of work into weighing and doing all the calcs for the old 2nds. I have had pretty good luck with them, all able to shoot under an inch, but I have never weighed the few hundred I have reloaded/fired. Mabe ignorance is a little bit of bliss in my case? I know you are shooting some really good groups now. Scotty
 
beretzs":1d4f50ip said:
OT3, would you buy 2nds again? Just wondering. I know you had some issues with them shooting for you with your old trigger, but do you think you might not have ever noticed the problem if you had your Timney in the rifle. Just wondering, I know you put alot of work into weighing and doing all the calcs for the old 2nds. I have had pretty good luck with them, all able to shoot under an inch, but I have never weighed the few hundred I have reloaded/fired. Mabe ignorance is a little bit of bliss in my case? I know you are shooting some really good groups now. Scotty

Scotty, I would buy seconds again and in fact bought some 180 gr .338 second bullets for my .338 Federal. The approach that I take with these bullets is simple, measure length, diameter (on a small sample) and sort by weight. The 180 grain seconds that I bought are in line statistically in weight with normal production distribution for retail BT Nosler bullets. Therefore there is no issue with these bullets.

I will continue to buy some seconds and do heavier sampling and sort than for retail bullets. This system, works for me and is not that bad time-wise for weighing and sorting on a digital scale. I sort and use groups of bullets that are within 0.2 grains of each other, despite their raw weight.

BTW, Scotty, how is you new custom .338 Ede doing? I have been booted off the Cabela's board for "my attitude" and have written them about their "attitude" of not telling me that I had been banned and not telling me who banned me, plus not writng a reason for the ban on my punishment notice. Sounds like High School punishment for arbitrary unstated "rules" which I graduating from 50 years ago!
Charlie
 
Charlie, that is not me with the 338 Edge. I forgot who has it? It is a nice rifle though.

I probably bought a bunch of the same seconds you did. I figured they would be decent reduced power loads for my wife and son to shoot through my 338. Should be a decent bullet at reduced speeds, and if they shoot well, I will get some Accubonds and try them out in it.

You seem to have a great system of sorting them. Might need to look into a digital scale for myself.

Sorry to hear of you getting booted. Sorry to hear about that. Hopefully they man up and tell you what the deal is. I know Cabelas is kind of funny sometimes about that stuff. Too bad. Sounds pretty kiddish.. Scotty
 
velvetant":3mumnet5 said:
Well I received my first order of factory seconds and the profile of the bullet is completely different then what I buy at my local store. The description did not say anything was different except it has a cannelure.
No returns on seconds allowed so I'm stuck with them.
I will buy no more seconds.
I will still use Nosler bullets, I'll just stock up when my local stores have them on sale
Did you actually try them? My cannelured 6mm 100gr Solid Base bullets work great, and I wish I would have bought more while they were available. Even though the originals were prettier without the cannelure. But by all means, don't buy any more of those nosler seconds. Maybe then, they will actually get some back in stock for the rest of us.
 
I have found I need to weight sort the 30 cal custom comp bullets that are 2nds. Weights vary by 3 grains.
Also got some 180 grain BTs that won't shoot in any rifle I have.

150 grain 30 cal accubonds and BT's have shot very good, just like 1sts.
 
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