Fliers to the right

[hundmeister]

Hi guys.
SAKO 85 7mm rem mag caldwell deadshot bags zeiss conquest 3-9 40 scope about 150 rounds downrange. Problem is in my groups of four ill most of the time will get a flier to the right. the more grains in the ladder test the more it moved right.when shooting i lay the rifle on the bags try
to avoid the swivel stud and loosely hold the rifle and squeeze the trigger. the more grains in the test the more the flier moved right, around 1.5 inch at most. i'm thinking its my shooting tech. but I'm open to what you guys think. usually happens 2nd or 3rd shot. one time i even got 2 fliers close together. what do you think?

 

[338winmag]

I am just a grasshopper compared to some of the rockets scientists here but here is my thought from my own personal experience.

If you are doing everything right from case prep to powder charge and seating depth adjustments primer testing to case and bullet concentricity to shooting correctly:

I felt after quite of bit of money and range time, my fliers were low bottom right most of the time and sometimes 3/4" or maybe 1" TO 1.25" from the other shots...

I gave up on the Nosler Accubonds till the following year and tried a different powder that I had not tried yet even though it was listed in the Nosler book as one of the better powders.

Immediate clovers. Not just at 100 yards but 200 yards as well. For me it was the powder. I needed a slower burning powder.

Just my $.015 worth
Steve

 

[DrMike]

Two thoughts occur to me. One would require an assessment of riflery technique; the other would mean examining the barrel channel. Is the flier random? Or does it occur as you are nearing the end of your group? If it consistently occurs as you approach the end of the group, it likely is related to a pressure point somewhere. You'll need to find the pressure point and reduce the pressure. If it is random, it would seem to be related to technique. I would suggest that you are thumbing or using too much trigger finger, either in anticipation of the shot or as you fatigue at the bench. The fact that your observation points to the flier moving farther right as you increase the charge suggests to me that you are involuntarily tightening your grip in anticipation of the recoil.

 

[Elkman]

hund

You did not give us a lot of info. What powder, case, bullet combination are you using? It could be several things which of course you already know. I had similar issues and in my circumstance a change in powder, bullet and case manufacture brought it around. Its really hard to just grab components off of the shelf and get a consistent accurate load the first time. For some caliber you will find many here have found certain powders and bullets more accurate than others. All components make a difference, powder and bullet a the biggies.!

 

[AzDak42]

Are you a regular magnum/heavy recoiling cartridge shooter?

The only reason I ask is that I've only recently gotten into shooting some of the harder recoiling cartridges in longer shooting sessions and I know that I have really fight to keep from developing a flinch. When I can feel the botched shot, it's pretty consistent that I shank it to the same spot.

Try having someone throw a snap cap somewhere in the magazine for you and see if as you cycle through the rounds, you can see what you do on the dummy round. For me at least, it's been one of the best tools to see the variation in my trigger pull.

 

[hundmeister]

If its me I can work it out as long as its not my equipment.
I haven't shot a lot of magnum rounds about 80 per year I usuall shoot a lot of 22 lr
I kind of don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if it's something wrong with my equipment.
Sometimes I feel that it was my mistake but who knows. It happens with factory ammo as well although when I look at targets from hot summer days where I could only get off 2 shots at a time in 15 min no fliers. I'm thinking I might be flinching a bit and sort of pulling the rifle in a bit thus pulling the the bore a bit right

 

[DrMike]

In riflery, consistency is the key. The same grip, the same sight picture, the same trigger pull--all combine to make for tight groups. The finest ammunition in the world still requires the rifleman to put it where it belongs. I sometimes find it necessary to take a break when shooting multiple rounds so I can be consistent. When shooting rifles that generate excessive recoil, those breaks are more frequently required. Otherwise, I will tighten my grip a little, or pull the trigger slightly more aggressively, or push the heel a little more heavily. The fix, in this instance, is to take frequent breaks to stop beating myself up.

 

[hundmeister]

I should probably have a experienced shooter try it to see if he gets fliers as well.

 

[SJB358]

Dry firing the rifle multiple times while shooting for groups helps me alot. I shoot one, dry fire for a few minutes then fire the next, dry fire more, then fire the third. Lets the barrel cool and gets me really tuned into my rifle and lets me get the natural point of aim so it is merely pressing the trigger..

 

[bullet]

Once again, let me ask the question. What powders and charges, cases, bullets, primers and COAL (cartridge over all length) are you using? For a complete answer or at least one that narrows in on your problem, we need the above requested information. Thank you, :grin:

 

[6mm Remington]

Dry firing the rifle multiple times while shooting for groups helps me alot. I shoot one, dry fire for a few minutes then fire the next, dry fire more, then fire the third. Lets the barrel cool and gets me really tuned into my rifle and lets me get the natural point of aim so it is merely pressing the trigger..

That's a great idea Scotty, and it does let the time go by quicker as you wait for the barrel to cool. I hear some folks say you want the rifle to go off and surprise you. I don't. I want to know exactly when it is going to go off so that it only goes off when my sights are where they should be. That way I know I can lessen my squeeze slightly and start again and get things right. I do have A-Zoom snap caps for all my rifles and I do dry fire a lot with them, and do it at the range, usually before I shoot a group. I am going to have to do some dry firing in between shots now to let her cool and fight the boredom of waiting a few minutes. Great idea! Dang you are smart!

 

[DrMike]

Dang you are smart!

Don't tell him that, David. He'll become insufferable! :lol:

 

[SJB358]

Dang you are smart!

Don't tell him that, David. He'll become insufferable! :lol:

Man, just never a break around this place! :lol:

 

[DrMike]

Just trying to keep people on their toes.