Grizzly Hunting in Wyoming?

[DrMike]

A fascinating step by Governor Matt Mead: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/0...izzlies-from-endangered-species-list-opening/. It does present some fascinating possibilities. Watch the fireworks.

 

[alaska100]

Watch the fireworks is correct

I remember when Gov Pa;in used helicopters to eliminate one pack if wolves that were harassing a village. The negative press was unreal and relenting,

 

[DrMike]

I recall a biologist employed by the Ministry of the Environment here in BC commenting while discussing wolf hunting that one environmental activist standing on a street corner in Vancouver could gather over 5000 signatures in one afternoon. That is, unfortunately, correct. The greater tragedy is that those signing such petitions don't have to live with the problem. Unfortunately, Vancouver and Victoria have more population than the remainder of BC combined. In Wyoming, the major cities will protest and howl to assail the governor and his party in Wyoming, and they are sufficiently vocal to prevail if there is no significant push back.

 

[IdahoCTD]

The good thing about a few (and very few) of the western states is that they are pro hunting. Montana and Colorado have been over run by tree huggers/environmentalists. Idaho and Wyoming seem to be pretty pro hunting. That doesn't mean the outside envirowhackos won't butt in though. I bet Wyoming could generate some decent revenue from it.

 

[alaska100]

Dr. Mike. The problem we had and still have is the original intent was to eliminate 7 animals that would not leave a village alone. And you would have thought we were eliminating the entire wolf population. then is 2010 it was decided by both state and federal game authorities to eliminate between 100 and 150 wolfs in the area of the 40 mile caribou herd, in an effort to expand the caribou herd. Bear in mind we have between 10000 and 11000 wolves in the state. Everything was fine until Senator Feinstein from Calif. found out about it and then introduced a bill in the senate to stop the killing of 150 wolves. Of course then the negative press went crazy. Remember we have over 10000 wolves, we were trying to improve a caribou herd and a Senator from Calif---a long ways from Alaska is the one that introduced the bill. I will get off my soap box now, but as you can tell it does irritate me.

 

[DrMike]

I'm with you, alaska100. We've faced our share of enviro-wackos here in BC, and many of them come up from the States every time there is some effort made to act in our own interest!

 

[6mm Remington]

These decisions are being made unfortunately by folks who live so far from nature that they have no understanding of what nature really is and how things need to have a balance to them. I honestly believe also that they feel that if we have/allow/overwhelm us with enough predators, then we won't need sportsman at all to help keep herds in check. The sad thing about a lot of these folks is the fact that they are so clueless to a lot of things, but sure know how to use the courts to be a big pain in the ass to everyone and to cost folks who are trying to do the right thing a heck of a lot of money. Look at all the money "sportsmen" have had taken out of their coffers in various states such as Montana, Wyoming, Idaho to manage the wolf issue even though we aren't the ones who brought the problem to us. Not to say that there should not be any wolves, but that they need to be managed sensibly, and that needed to start years ago when they numbers of wolves reached the management numbers that they (the misinformed) "initially" agreed to.

I have a good friend who is a FWP officer here in Montana, and the officers feel hamstrung by what has happened here in Montana. They have used so much money on wolves alone that they have had to neglect other areas of management in the state. Every FWP officer in the state except maybe for the idiot they have running the show the last couple years for Montana, are all for wolf hunting and have been for some time. They see firsthand the effects of something that has gotten way out of control. I better stop now.

David

 

[Oldtrader3]

Feinstein must give her eggs away at all of the local colleges and universities in western Washington. It is not even possible to have a public meeting here without 300 Yuppies bringing their bratty kids and dogs to scream, run around and destroy any discussion or public meeting on any issue that these Liberal Yuppies wish to disrupt and break down all public discussion of before it can ever become a referendum or come to a vote.

The county is trying to build a Deep Water Port here to ship coal to China which is mined and brought by train from the US rockies. This would add 500 or so jobs to a local economy which is on its knees and has no local employer with over 50 employees, except the state and county. Oh, and plus counting the border, with its law enforcement employees and offices of course.

The Yuppies are afraid that demon coal might hurt their property values here! They do not realise that the problem is not coal because it already runs through here every day on 2-3 trains. The problem here is Yuppies and the Californication of Washington by these Yuppies who come here from California to live and want us to be like them!

 

[FOTIS]

Def on my want list!

 

[joelkdouglas]

I half expect a mass grizzly and wolf die off due to lack of food soon.

In the case that doesn't happen, grizzly hunting might make the bears at least respect human presence.

 

[onesonek]

These decisions are being made unfortunately by folks who live so far from nature that they have no understanding of what nature really is and how things need to have a balance to them. I honestly believe also that they feel that if we have/allow/overwhelm us with enough predators, then we won't need sportsman at all to help keep herds in check. The sad thing about a lot of these folks is the fact that they are so clueless to a lot of things, but sure know how to use the courts to be a big pain in the ass to everyone and to cost folks who are trying to do the right thing a heck of a lot of money. Look at all the money "sportsmen" have had taken out of their coffers in various states such as Montana, Wyoming, Idaho to manage the wolf issue even though we aren't the ones who brought the problem to us. Not to say that there should not be any wolves, but that they need to be managed sensibly, and that needed to start years ago when they numbers of wolves reached the management numbers that they (the misinformed) "initially" agreed to.

I have a good friend who is a FWP officer here in Montana, and the officers feel hamstrung by what has happened here in Montana. They have used so much money on wolves alone that they have had to neglect other areas of management in the state. Every FWP officer in the state except maybe for the idiot they have running the show the last couple years for Montana, are all for wolf hunting and have been for some time. They see firsthand the effects of something that has gotten way out of control. I better stop now.

David

Yeah,,,,,,
For a number of recent years, the State Biologist here blamed the Moose population decline on global warming. Listening to the the game officer's saying it was wolves, just was beyond their scope of reality. Finally to my suprise, the Governor, just signed allowing a contolled wolf hunt.
Sometimes, it takes too many years for common sense to prevail

 

[nvbroncrider]

These decisions are being made unfortunately by folks who live so far from nature that they have no understanding of what nature really is and how things need to have a balance to them. I honestly believe also that they feel that if we have/allow/overwhelm us with enough predators, then we won't need sportsman at all to help keep herds in check. The sad thing about a lot of these folks is the fact that they are so clueless to a lot of things, but sure know how to use the courts to be a big pain in the ass to everyone and to cost folks who are trying to do the right thing a heck of a lot of money. Look at all the money "sportsmen" have had taken out of their coffers in various states such as Montana, Wyoming, Idaho to manage the wolf issue even though we aren't the ones who brought the problem to us. Not to say that there should not be any wolves, but that they need to be managed sensibly, and that needed to start years ago when they numbers of wolves reached the management numbers that they (the misinformed) "initially" agreed to.

I have a good friend who is a FWP officer here in Montana, and the officers feel hamstrung by what has happened here in Montana. They have used so much money on wolves alone that they have had to neglect other areas of management in the state. Every FWP officer in the state except maybe for the idiot they have running the show the last couple years for Montana, are all for wolf hunting and have been for some time. They see firsthand the effects of something that has gotten way out of control. I better stop now.

David

Yeah,,,,,,
For a number of recent years, the State Biologist here blamed the Moose population decline on global warming. Listening to the the game officer's saying it was wolves, just was beyond their scope of reality. Finally to my suprise, the Governor, just signed allowing a contolled wolf hunt.
Sometimes, it takes too many years for common sense to prevail

Now you must remember one thing. The "general" public has no COMMON SENSE! Hamburgers come from Mc'Donalds. Milk comes from the grocery store. That is why a new truck costs $60k Diesel is $4+ a gallon and that the government spending money out of control creates jobs!! All relates back to Economics 101! I will stop here before I have to bite my tongue.

 

[Guy Miner]

Was quite watchful in 2009 while mule deer hunting in Wyoming, up in grizzly country. We'd stumbled across grizzly sow & cub tracks on the same trail we were using. Each of us tagged a mule deer, about 3 miles from the truck, on two separate days. It was a long, cautious walk back to the truck with a boned out mulie in the pack... My .25-06 seemed way too small. Fine for the deer, not what I'd want to use on a ticked off grizzly...

Locals in the area thought there were way too many grizzlies being seen anymore. They're convinced there is a surplus of the big bears, migrating out of Yellowstone.

 

[wildgene]

...the USF&WS's main interest is "the USF&WF". Grizzlies, wolves, spotted owls, etc.etc. are not well understood, reclusive, nobody knows much about them except what the USF&WS tells 'em, they are "Cash Cows". "Management" has less to do w/ stable populations than it does w/ continued funding & political power. The various eco-terrorist groups understand this, they get paid by the fed.govt. to sue the fed.govt., are tax-exempt, & have a "Cause" to solicit money from people who's understanding of "Management" comes from Disney films...

...I'm a "handshake" type, & have no use for people or groups that enter an agreement in good faith, then turn around as soon as they signed off on it & sue for "More"...

...we're having a lot more "conflicts" in the area, well above the number of deaths & attacks reported in the news, a trend that is going to continue. If WY pursues the issue, & I believe we will, expect the USF&WS to waffle about "numbers" & "recovery", & lawsuits to stall any hunting season. "They" don't want to win, "They" don't have to win, "They" just want to get it to court...

 

[DrMike]

I am struggling with the concept of an immoral government that exists for the benefit of the government. Unfortunately, wildlife management is a symptom of a greater problem. I believe you have accurately diagnosed the issue, Gene, and that is discouraging. There is a fight going on for the soul of a nation, and the outcome is by no means certain. Every sportsman needs to be vocal in support sensible legislation and in electing wise, moral legislators.

 

[Oldtrader3]

I struggle with the concept of government that exists solely for the benefit of itself and justification of its own bureaucracy as well. This is why the Gubernatorial recall failure in Wisconsin is so important to this country and to future policies of continuing bankrupting the nation and discontinuing government services which taxpayers pay for, simply so that these governments can continue to coddle and pay public unions unrealistic medical and retirement benefits in order for them to support and sustain the present untenable bureaucracy cost and budget levels of the government executives (Governors) that they serve!

Most larger states in this country are already funding illegal spending over revenue collection (taxes), either through deferred debt spending (which may be unconstitutional) and issuing bonds to finance debt which violates their own constitutional limits of spending but they do it anyway because they think that, since it is in the future, they won't get caught. I know that Washington State does it! They do it to perpetuate and grow their fiefdoms (bureaucracies) which is how they measure their respective importance in the scheme of things. Service to their constituents is dead last in priority on these politicians list of personal agenda goals. Building their personal kingdom of political influence and getting their share of the lobbyist payout is first and foremost with these politicians.

 

[sask boy]

Mike you hit the nail right on the head. Both countries need people with integrity to be elected.
Here in Saskatchewan they have expanded the Moose tags in the southern portion of the province as the Moose population has exploded with no predators other than a motor vehicle. What they are failing to realize is that the wolf population is also starting move into the farm land and they will not stop with Moose. The calves and folds will be easier and they will almost always take the easiest prey

Blessings,
Dan