HAVE THE NEW 140 MONOFLEX BULLET, NOW WHAT ?

[Gm weatherby man]

Picked uo the 140 hornaby flex tip for the 30-30 and not sure where to start, have h-335,h-4895, bl-c2, and varget powders handy.Just a little slow on just where to start,any help would be welcome. :?

 

[DrMike]

This is what QuickLoad generates for the 140 grain MonoFlex bullet and the powders you listed.

Cartridge : .30-30 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 140, Hornady MonoFlex 30310
Useable Case Capaci: 34.661 grain H2O = 2.251 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H335

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 73 25.60 1862 1077 22272 4583 82.3 1.483
-18.0 75 26.24 1907 1131 23646 4747 83.7 1.445
-16.0 77 26.88 1953 1185 25109 4909 85.0 1.409
-14.0 79 27.52 1999 1242 26666 5068 86.3 1.373
-12.0 81 28.16 2045 1300 28324 5224 87.6 1.338
-10.0 83 28.80 2091 1359 30091 5377 88.8 1.304
-08.0 84 29.44 2137 1420 31976 5526 90.0 1.271
-06.0 86 30.08 2184 1483 33986 5671 91.1 1.238
-04.0 88 30.72 2230 1547 36134 5811 92.1 1.207 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 90 31.36 2277 1612 38426 5945 93.1 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 92 32.00 2324 1679 40881 6073 94.0 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 94 32.64 2371 1747 43507 6195 94.9 1.112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 95 33.28 2417 1817 46321 6311 95.7 1.083 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 97 33.92 2464 1888 49340 6419 96.5 1.054 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 99 34.56 2511 1960 52581 6519 97.1 1.026 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 101 35.20 2558 2033 56066 6611 97.7 0.999 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 92 32.00 2454 1872 49262 6171 98.8 1.058 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 92 32.00 2161 1451 33541 5684 85.7 1.245

Cartridge : .30-30 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 140, Hornady MonoFlex 30310
Useable Case Capaci: 34.661 grain H2O = 2.251 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4895

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 81 25.84 1848 1061 22070 4570 76.6 1.491
-18.0 83 26.49 1894 1115 23454 4742 78.0 1.453
-16.0 85 27.13 1941 1171 24930 4913 79.4 1.416
-14.0 87 27.78 1988 1228 26506 5083 80.8 1.381
-12.0 89 28.42 2035 1287 28188 5251 82.2 1.346
-10.0 91 29.07 2082 1348 29985 5417 83.5 1.312
-08.0 93 29.72 2130 1410 31906 5580 84.7 1.278
-06.0 95 30.36 2178 1475 33960 5740 86.0 1.246
-04.0 97 31.01 2226 1540 36157 5897 87.2 1.213 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 99 31.65 2274 1608 38514 6050 88.3 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 101 32.30 2323 1677 41039 6198 89.4 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 103 32.95 2371 1748 43750 6341 90.5 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 105 33.59 2420 1821 46661 6479 91.5 1.086 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 107 34.24 2469 1895 49772 6611 92.5 1.056 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 109 34.88 2518 1971 53095 6737 93.4 1.027 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 111 35.53 2567 2049 56667 6855 94.3 0.999 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 101 32.30 2467 1891 49648 6454 95.8 1.059 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 101 32.30 2150 1437 33257 5689 80.2 1.255

Cartridge : .30-30 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 140, Hornady MonoFlex 30310
Useable Case Capaci: 34.661 grain H2O = 2.251 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : Hodgdon BL-C2

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 80 28.00 1837 1050 21299 4654 75.9 1.502
-18.0 82 28.70 1886 1106 22692 4840 77.5 1.462
-16.0 84 29.40 1935 1164 24186 5025 79.1 1.424
-14.0 86 30.10 1985 1224 25790 5208 80.6 1.386
-12.0 88 30.80 2035 1287 27517 5389 82.1 1.349
-10.0 90 31.50 2085 1352 29369 5568 83.6 1.313
-08.0 92 32.20 2136 1419 31373 5743 85.0 1.278
-06.0 94 32.90 2188 1488 33529 5914 86.4 1.243
-04.0 96 33.60 2240 1559 35858 6081 87.7 1.209 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 98 34.30 2292 1633 38375 6242 89.0 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 35.00 2345 1709 41103 6397 90.2 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 102 35.70 2398 1787 44060 6545 91.4 1.104 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 104 36.40 2451 1867 47274 6686 92.5 1.071 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 106 37.10 2505 1950 50772 6818 93.5 1.039 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 108 37.80 2559 2035 54590 6941 94.5 1.007 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 110 38.50 2613 2122 58764 7055 95.4 0.977 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 35.00 2501 1944 50278 6647 96.7 1.046 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 35.00 2155 1443 33305 5833 80.2 1.250

Cartridge : .30-30 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 140, Hornady MonoFlex 30310
Useable Case Capaci: 34.661 grain H2O = 2.251 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : Hodgdon VARGET

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 85 26.24 1811 1019 22240 4263 73.8 1.493
-18.0 87 26.90 1855 1070 23622 4427 75.2 1.456
-16.0 89 27.55 1900 1123 25094 4591 76.6 1.419
-14.0 91 28.21 1946 1177 26664 4754 78.0 1.382
-12.0 93 28.86 1992 1233 28334 4917 79.3 1.347
-10.0 95 29.52 2038 1291 30123 5079 80.6 1.312
-08.0 98 30.18 2084 1350 32032 5239 81.9 1.279
-06.0 100 30.83 2131 1411 34070 5397 83.2 1.246
-04.0 102 31.49 2178 1475 36253 5553 84.4 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 104 32.14 2225 1539 38590 5706 85.6 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 106 32.80 2273 1606 41094 5855 86.8 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 108 33.46 2321 1675 43782 6001 87.9 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 110 34.11 2369 1745 46671 6142 89.0 1.086 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 112 34.77 2418 1817 49782 6279 90.0 1.057 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 115 35.42 2467 1892 53133 6410 91.0 1.028 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 117 36.08 2516 1968 56749 6536 92.0 1.000 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 106 32.80 2413 1810 48766 6180 93.7 1.065 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 106 32.80 2109 1383 34158 5323 77.4 1.249

 

[Songdog]

HAVE THE NEW 140 MONOFLEX BULLET, NOW WHAT ?

load some up and find a coyote.....

 

[Guest]

I suspect a quick call or email to Hornady will get you whatever data they've tested so far.

 

[Gm weatherby man]

THANKS gentleman, guess a little nervous since i measured bullet and was .309 of a inch and being a mono bullet.I will start off with varget since it is the slowest and work my way up,thanks again. :roll: :wink:

 

[kraky1]

I've got some and have shot them in a couple 308's and a 30-06. They do make pressure...my estimate is you want to be about 2-3 grains under 150 data as a starting point.
I'm gonna try em in a newly aquired 30-30 this week (hopefully) and my chosen start load is 30 grain i3031.

 

[Gm weatherby man]

Cool, i have just loaded a couple up and got inch groups right out of the gate with varget powder, r-15 i think will do even better. I will play and we will see. 8) And by the way Mike that quick load is beyound uncanny accurate in estemating loads for my gun. :lol:

 

[kraky1]

Don't tease us...can you give us details on loads, chrono reading and details on your gun???

 

[Gm weatherby man]

The rifle is a savage 340 bolt action, used 30 grns of varget so far, used lee factory crimp tool. Crono reading @ 20 feet away was 2092 fps with a 22" barrel. group was basically 1". I will be taking it up to 2300 fps, most likely use reloader 15 or something to get there.in the past i have got serrias up to 2400 fps with out any pressure signs.have loaded 130 and 165 grn tsx's in past for half " groups just over all lenght to long for clip.even loaded 125 bt for basic one hole groups, same clip problem. :wink:

 

[kraky1]

Cool on the Savage. I actually wanted one before I picked up my Marlin 336. There was a local estate auction that had one of the Savages. It didn't even have a clip and was in average shape at best. I hoped to pick it up for about $170...the darn thing brought $240!!
Glad to hear the monoflex shot good. They seem pretty "iffy" on accuracy reputation. It shot really bad in two of my guns but did ok in a 308 bar.

 

[Gm weatherby man]

I will have to get used to a system to post my pics to share things like my guns,targets, and past hunts. MY 340 is of new condition or darn close to it and only has killed 1 moose,one elk, one yote.i have thought of selling it numerous time , but can not bring myself to sell it for it shoots as good as it looks. :grin:

 

[SJB358]

I will have to get used to a system to post my pics to share things like my guns,targets, and past hunts. MY 340 is of new condition or darn close to it and only has killed 1 moose,one elk, one yote.i have thought of selling it numerous time , but can not bring myself to sell it for it shoots as good as it looks. :grin:

Man, that sounds like a keeper for sure! Glad you are getting such good accuracy out of the 140's. Those would make some good moose bullets I imagine. Looking forward to some pictures!

 

[Gm weatherby man]

This is where i am at so far, worked up to 32.5 grn of varget for 2325 fps, point of impact same from 30 to 32.5 grns with rem.brass.Bullet performance is great from all pulled from target butt. Here is the interesting thing, when i loaded a set in virgin brass i lost nearly 100 fps from a previous load from once fired load.Point of impact was same, just alot slower. :?

 

[Gm weatherby man]

Here is a pic of my 340 savage in 30-30 win, shoots as good as it looks.

 

[SJB358]

Very nice! I like it. Looks like a very nice hunting rifle right there.

 

[kraky1]

Here is the interesting thing, when i loaded a set in virgin brass i lost nearly 100 fps from a previous load from once fired load.

That change is surprising. My headspace measurer says in my marlin 30-30 my cases are blowing forward .032" from a virgin dimension and that would cause (I think) and easy 50 fps difference. Maybe it will be more. I ALWAYS find once fired and resized to just under chambered dimension brass will get more velocity than virgin.

BTW....THAT IS .....one heck of a nice looking Savage.