Help me decide please.

6mm Remington

Ammo Smith
Feb 27, 2006
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Choices for a .280 Remington build.

Montana Rifle Company: http://www.montanarifleco.com/custom.rifles.html This rifle has a cast action made by the same company that builds the actions for the Ruger 77/Hawkeye rifles. Is a cast action as strong and worthy of consideration as one made from a billet of steel like a Winchester? One of the things I like about the rifles this company makes is that they have combined the "best features" of the Mauser 98 and the Model 70 action to make theirs after. I stopped by in Kalispell last summer and visited them as I had not had a chance to actually see on of their rifles in person. They are very nice!! One thing that really impressed me is when I was given three different models of their rifles and I looked them over very carefully. The fit and finish was very nice and I dry fired each of the three several times. Each trigger was outstanding and felt just exactly like the previous rifle and the one before that. To me that's impressive for a semi-custom rifle to have three of them picked up and the trigger pulls each were superb at about 3 pounds and nice and crisp and clean. Boyds supplies their rifle stocks and instead of the stock the company typically uses, I would have them put a nutmeg laminate on it. They look like they do a really nice job on their rifles, and they chamber for the great .280 Remington or the 280 AI should I chose to go that route.

Winchester Model 70: http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/ ... mid=535107 What a gorgeous rifle. They just don't chamber them in the .280. I really like the new Model 70's and the quality they are turning out. The stock on the Supergrade is beautiful. I get the vapors just looking at them. I really like their actions but have not heard enough about the new trigger's they have started using. I would consider replacing the factory trigger also. Would you guys do that or just see how it works first?? So to get my 280 Remington I would have to buy a 30-06 or something like that in the Model 70 and have it re-barreled. I could sell the barrel that would be pulled off of the rifle to help off-set the cost of an aftermarket barrel. I've always wanted a Winchester Model 70 or something such as the Montana Rifle Company makes.

I believe I know the answer to this question already, but is a cast action as strong as one machined from a solid piece of steel? I know the Ruger 77/Hawkeye actions are double tough, but which is the strongest/best between the two???

Many of you know I have been waffling back and forth on this one for a long time. Thanks
David
 
First off glad to see you posting again David. I have never heard of a Ruger or MRC action coming apart so any differences in strength between them and the Winchester isn't an issue IMO. I would pick the one you really want the most and not look back and be disappointed later on, if that is a re barreled Model 70 then go for it, you could sell the barrel for a few bucks and offset the cost slightly. On the other hand the MRC seems to have a lot of great features and was well designed.
 
I don't have an answer for you, other than Ruger has built a ton of cast actions with no apparent complaints. I haven't looked at the MRC rifles, but my cousin had one of their actions on a sniper rifle build and seemed to like it after some teething problems (it was an early action, maybe five-six years ago).

One thing, if you are going to cannibalize an M70, make it a .270 and make the world a better place. :)

How ya doin', David?
 
Thanks for the comments and help guys. I am like most of you and a rifle is a big investment and I want to get it right the first time!
David

So you are saying Kurt that if I order this Model 70 in a .270 Winchester and pull the barrel off of it to put a properly chambered barrel on it, that you would be interested in taking this new/never fired Super Grade barrel off of my hands?? :grin: :grin:
 
I'm sure you could find a buyer for a .270 Barrel if it was a Winchester. If the price is right I might even consider it myself.
Me, I'm holding out for a left handed Winchester rifle in 25-06, .270, or .270 WSM and starting to really lean towards the WSM although I like the 25-06 a bunch.
 
David,

Great to see you posting again. I do like the Model 70s. I don't consider the trigger on any of mine (five on hand) to be problematic. Likewise, the MRC builds can be very nice, and the actions are sufficiently strong that you'll not have a problem. I believe the advice to pick the one you want is pretty solid advice. You'll have it for a long time, and you had as well enjoy what you have. You may find one of the older model Winchesters chambered in .280. I've had two, and still have one. It is a great rifle that has accounted for quite a number of deer over the years.
 
Does Winchester still chamber for the 284? That is a very close to the 280 Remington and is starting to see a come back with all the wildcats that have been made off the parent case. I think I could be very happy with a M70 in 284 Win.
 
truck driver":2xi434w1 said:
Does Winchester still chamber for the 284?

No. Neither are they chambering for the .280 at the moment. However, hope springs eternal.
 
Don't know about actions, but as a machinist, I know nothing cast is ever as strong as something cut from a solid piece of steel.
 
Welcome back buddy.
FWIW, I have a Remington 22" take off in 280 Remington with YOUR name on it. ;)

JD338
 
One of the main differences in cast versus machined actions are how much metal you need to achieve the same strength.

Of course, almost all actions these days- cast, machined, forged are all built too chunky. Ruger and Montana actions are strong enough as is the Winchester and all built for the belted mags…overkill for an '06.

Don't overlook the Kimber 84L (available in .280AI)- a very trim action built to minimal dimensions for the '06 family- the 84L in 280AI I examined was very nicely done. They've been good to me and accurate despite some chatter to the contrary.
 
Hi David, Montana area:) have you checked with Defiance Actions? They are a little pricy but maybe in top 2 or 3 actions made now :wink:.
The 284 calibre is next to none in accuracy & with the new Longrange bullets now being made they have just about created perfection.
No matter what you decide to do please keep us posted :mrgreen:.

Blessings,
Dan
 
David, welcome back. When Ruger brought out the Model 77 in the mid 1960's, they pretty well addressed the issue of investment cast actions being suitable for use in even magnum cased cartridges. USRAC chambered a number of .280's in both the Sporter and the Featherweight during the mid 1980's. I had one for several years (a Sporter) and it worked well for me. I would not be surprised to see Browning issue a .280 in the Winchester in the future because they already chamber their Japanese bolt actions in that caliber.
 
6mm Remington":1pqhe8bt said:
So you are saying Kurt that if I order this Model 70 in a .270 Winchester and pull the barrel off of it to put a properly chambered barrel on it, that you would be interested in taking this new/never fired Super Grade barrel off of my hands?? :grin: :grin:

Sure, I could get it rebored to .284"...
 
Hey David!
Are you wanting a straight .280 Rem or the AI? Either is a sweet round. Doc's 280 has stacked 'em up like cord wood lately. JD's 280AI is about as accurate as they come. Could you live with a 7x57 M70? Cabela's made a special run of them that are absolutely gorgeous. If need be, you could maybe rechamber it to 280 later on if it doesn't suit you. Take a look:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Winchest ... 707385.uts
I think it would only require a reamer and possibly a magazine box switch. Just a thought.
Also, Hodgeman has a great point with the Kimber 84L in 280AI. As much backpack hunting as you do, you just might enjoy the way it carries. I know I do. Mine is 7.0 pounds scoped and almost feels like a toy. Recoil on it is more than manageable too.
Or, you could do a lot worse than to find a Super Grade in '06 or 270 and send her off to PACNOR for a new tube. My daughter's in .270 Win is one of the newer ones made by FN. I grumbled about them changing the trigger, but the new one is a snap to adjust and very crisp. Choices choices buddy. Have fun figuring it out.
Take Care,
Joe
 
EOD that sure is a pretty rifle and the 7x57 is a great cartridge also. I had a .280 Remington and sold it when money was tight with the thought I would replace it someday. I'm kind of stuck on that one as I really like that round.
 
Great to see you back David!

I love the Winchesters, but I wouldn't be scared one bit of the MRC in a 280 Rem or AI. They still use the older Winchester trigger which I like a little more than there MOA trigger. Not sure you have a bad choice in the mix here.

Again, welcome back buddy. Glad your still looking for the 280.
 
David,
For what ever its worth I own two Ruger Hawkeyes and a Mark II and I like them all , they are great guns and work well for me, However with that said when it comes to balance and just plain old feeling right in the bottom of my hand for some reason I almost always grab my Model 70 Featherweight, it just seams to carry better and balance better IMHO.
As for the strength of the actions I can only compare that to a Parker shotgun barrel compared to a model 21 Winchester , the 21 guy will be quick to inform you of the merits of how Winchester dovetailed the breach end so the barrels are actually locked togeather vs the Parker barrels [or anyone elses for that matter] that are simply silver brazed togeather,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ok with that said how practical is that really ????????????
The Parker guys barrels belonged to his Grandfather and are now over a hundred years old , they are still rock solid and ring like a bell when tested ????? They are now looking like they will make the next hundred years no problem as long as he cares for them as much as his grandfather and father did.................................... so is dovetailing barrels togeather that important????
Well I guess that boils down to if you own a Model 21 or not..................... I am thinking the difference in the strength between a Win and Ruger could fall into this category????
Just my thoughts .......
e :wink:
 
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