Montana Extreme

[BK]

I tried out some Montana Extreme Bore Solvent, and I have a question.

The instructions say to run two wet patches thru the bore, the to soak a nylon bore brush 20 times, followed by another two wet patches. Repeat if necessary.

Here's where I deviated: I don't have a .35 cal nylon bore brush, so I used a bronze brush. So I went thru the cycle maybe 15 or more times, and the wet patches were still coming out blue, though less so.

My question: am I getting a reaction to my bore brush, or is my rifle that fouled wuth copper? I have cleaned it since elk season using a number of different products including Outer Bore Foam and Hoppes Bench Rest 9, and probably Barnes CR10. It's a .35 Whelen, so it doesn't really get a big number of rounds put through it.

 

[JD338]

BK

I would run a couple wet patches and a couple dry patches through the bore. Then I would run your copper solvent through, let it sit about 10 min and then run more solvent, dry patches. Once done, run a thin coat of oil down the bore, wipe down the exterior and put her away in the safe.

JD338

 

[JDMAG]

I think your getting a reaction from your brush. Thats the only reason I can see them making it a point to say to use a nylon brush. as for bronze and copper making the patches come out the same color I don't know.(I know you didn't ask that, but I was wondering)
What do you your self think?
JDMAG

 

[Charlie-NY]

Run a few wet patches down the bore and then wait the maximum period indicated on the bottle. Then run a tight path down the bore to see if you are still getting the blue/green tinge when NOT using the brush. Then you'll know for sure.

 

[BK]

What do you your self think?

I think I'm going to try to find a nylon .35 cal brush!

I was going to try to clean a couple of guns this morning with the Montana Extreme stuff, but after spending an hour and a half on the Whelen, I gave it up. As it sits now, I ran two wet patches, two dry patches, another two wet patches then put enough dry patches through it so they came out clean and dry. The second cycle of wet patches came out clean (well, not blue). So I hosed the chamber out with Gun Scrubber, let it sit for about a half hour, ran a dry patch through, ran a patch through the bore with oil on it, wiped the exterior down with an oily rag (really just an excuse to gawk at the wood), and threw her back in the safe.

Thinking about it all day, I must have been getting a reaction from the brush. But I am going to get a nylon brush for it.

I was going to start with my M70 .300 Maggie, because I did buy a nylon brush for .30 cal., but it was behind the Whelen in the safe. Whoops.

 

[tjen]

Is your jag bronze? It will also turn your batches blue/green.

I haven't bathered to intentional get none bronze jags but I have some in aluminum so I know the bronze jags will react but not so dramatic as the fouling does.I haven't used the montana extream but many other solvents Butch's, TM Solution, Hoppe's #9 and gun slick foaming.

 

[BK]

Round #2 of the M.E. trials. I dug out the M70 and gave it a try with the new solvent. First, I did it exactly like the instruction say, and as expected, there was hardly any blue. So then I tried it again with a bronze brush, and wham! a ton of dark blue. So either:
1. They print the instructions for a reason, or
2. I just loosened the built up gunk in the bore on the first go round.

I'm leaning towards #1 because I cleaned that rifle pretty well before I put it away after elk season.

So, off to SW to buy nylon bore brushes in .17, .22, .24, .25, .284, and .35. And probably another cleaning rod. I hate switching back and forth between a jag and a brush.

 

[BK]

tjen:
My jag is bronze (or brass, I can't tell the difference) but it did not seem to foul up the patches at all.

 

[JDMAG]

Sounds like it was the brush to me too! Thanks for the info. I'm bout out of Hoppe's #9 and was thinking about trying the Montana extreme out.

 

[Scott Spencer]

JD,

I use the Montana Extreme and Butch's Bore Shine in my rifles. I have been very pleased with the results and I strictly use nylon brushes with it. Just before dry patching my barrel I will run one patch of good ole Hoppe's #9 through it. That stuff is still hard to beat even today. After the Hoppe's I dry patch and finish off with a smidgen of oil on a patch just to get a think layer inside.

 

[JDMAG]

Smells good too! Brings back memories!

 

[JD338]

Smells good too! Brings back memories!

+1
I love the smell of Hoppe's #9! :lol:

JD338

 

[YoteSmoker]

I can't smell much of anything after using Montana bore solvent and copper cleaner! Then I hit it with wipeout and call it a night all buzzed up on gun cleaner.

 

[BK]

JD,

I use the Montana Extreme and Butch's Bore Shine in my rifles. I have been very pleased with the results and I strictly use nylon brushes with it. Just before dry patching my barrel I will run one patch of good ole Hoppe's #9 through it. That stuff is still hard to beat even today. After the Hoppe's I dry patch and finish off with a smidgen of oil on a patch just to get a think layer inside.

Scott, what's the purpose of the Hoppe's AFTER the M.E. or Butch's? I could see using it first to get the powder fouling out, but why after?

 

[tjen]

tjen:
My jag is bronze (or brass, I can't tell the difference) but it did not seem to foul up the patches at all.

My mistake most jags are brass which is a copper alloy it doesn't react as much as fine copper fouling. My jags are mostly dewey's and they do react to the butches bore shine and TM Solution. I think the TM said it is safe for bronze brushes but the hoppes benche rest copper has ruined a few bronze bushes before I knew it how it worked.

As far as solvents the Hoppes #9 nitro removes classic green patina while the more agressive solvents turn patches blue.

The only solvent that I can NOT live with out is Hoppe's #9 nitro. I like having a choice and i also use it as a extra percaution and used it to get all the other solvent out and then run a oiled patch for storage. Hoppe's #9 is gentle and time proven.

Hoppe's #9 truck feshiners should sell good? That and good old western burnt shotgun powder.

 

[BK]

Hoppe's #9 truck feshiners should sell good? That and good old western burnt shotgun powder.

<laughin'>

Yeah, three air fresheners that I would buy:
Hoppe's #9
Freshly fired paper shotgun hull
New truck

Although the smell of a good desert sagebrush flat smell pretty good too.