My quest for a LR paper puncher

[EOD Diver]

AJ,
If you're going to throw down the cash for a bling bling action, go with Defiance. John Pierce is the worst person I've ever dealt with in firearms. Not here to badmouth people and drag his name through the mud, but I don't want another shooter (especially on the forum) to experience my frustration. PM me if you need an explanation.

Joe

 

[IdahoCTD]

This is a pretty good deal. It's not a full blown custom action but it's a trued Rem. and it looks like it shoots well.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index. ... =3831375.0

 

[ajvigs]

I like, and somewhat along the likes of what I will end up with. Thanks for the heads up. If I had the cash on hand, I would spring

 

[cloverleaf]

Check out the "New Toy" post by 300 win. mag. That is an impressive looking rifle, and there are some good thoughts in that thread re purchasing a competition rifle. CL

 

[BK]

Thanks once again all. After some more thinking and lurking, I think I am looking into:
6.5x47 lapua
Defiance or Pierce SA
Jewell trigger
Benchmark or Kreiger 1 in 8 twist light or medium palma 1 in 8 twist, 22"or 24"
mcmillan stock set up for AI mags

Sounds like a fine plan, all you need to do is make sure the McMillan has some purple in it...

 

[usmc 89]

Get the defiance deviant, i have two and another ordered. Get the deviant with the AW magazine cut out, this will allow you to run the shorter double stack ten round AW magazines. The 6.5 x47 is a good choice and i ran one for a year, having switched to the 6x47 I recommend the 6 over the 6.5 x47 for two reasons. 1 your running a .547 bc bullet at 3100 fps in a 24" barrel " mine is running a 105 at 3050 with 22" barrel comfortably" The 6.5 is running a `130 vld at 2900-2950 with a .552 bc. 2. Recoil is nonexistant with.a 6x47 and a brake or suppressor. My buddy.and I won the three forks team shoot last saturday in -17° weather, he was using a 6.5x47 and I was using a 6x47. I also won this match with an AIAW in .260 last july, and a 6x47 in august so pick whichever cartridge you wish they are all capable of winning.

 

[257 Ackley]

It's about time you chimed in... . Glad to hear you won. You'll need a bigger house for all the trophies soon.

 

[ajvigs]

USMC89 has been helping me out a lot with this. im gonna follow his and everyone elses advice and run either the 6x47 or 6.5x47 with a defiance action. Gotta research barrels and stocks more, as well as scopes.

What would be an ideal weight for this rig?

 

[usmc 89]

Thanks joel, wont fill the house with trophies that quickly, three forks is the only match that has trophies. I must say i do like the cash better than the trophies. I will be at your house around friday of next week. I will bring the Knights Armament SR15 with me so you can take a peek. My sister wants to shoot a gun for the first time so I figured this would be a good one to start with, I put the 4-16x42 schmidt pmII on it, looks good. That gun also ran in -20° weather so i was impressed. If you happen to get a chance to snag some .223 brass I would like to buy some.

 

[usmc 89]

Ajvigs, i would look at either a kreiger or a bartlein barrel, i like the heavy palma with heavy fluting.
Stocks, mcmillan A series or the manners is a good choice. I like the AICS 2.0 with the viperskins, it is heavy. I think my lightest match gun weighs 16 pounds with everything on it. Good choice on the action, defiance makes top tier actions. You will want the deviant action, has the 20 moa rail, recoil lug built into it along with a one piece bolt. In other words no cap screws or pins holding things in place.

 

[ajvigs]

Ajvigs, i would look at either a kreiger or a bartlein barrel, i like the heavy palma with heavy fluting.
Stocks, mcmillan A series or the manners is a good choice. I like the AICS 2.0 with the viperskins, it is heavy. I think my lightest match gun weighs 16 pounds with everything on it. Good choice on the action, defiance makes top tier actions. You will want the deviant action, has the 20 moa rail, recoil lug built into it along with a one piece bolt. In other words no cap screws or pins holding things in place.

Roger that. Im really hoping I luck into a used rig, as this seems like it gets pricey quick. Ill just have to keep scanning the classifieds and cross my fingers.

 

[.300winmag]

You have received a lot of good advice, and USMC89 is a great guy to gather advice on for long range shooting. He is a master of his trait. I have always enjoyed long range shooting and I believe the action choice you've made is excellent. For barrels I too like the heavy palma contour and if you choose a 6.5x47, I'd get 1-8" twist and finish at 24". For the 6mm, same contour, 1-7" twist and finish at 22 inches.

One question though regarding your stock choice. What long range events are you wanting to participate in? F-class, LR prone, 600 or 1000 yard BR, tactical? The disciplines you wish to shoot can have a large impact on your stock choice. I have a .300 Win. Mag that I have used in tactical matches, F-class and long range hunting. I chose an McMillan A3 Stock for that rifle as it fits me very comfortably and is suited for a bipod for hunting and tactical matches. In F-class however, I feel that A3 stock is less well suited for that type of competition because bipods do bounce a tad, and at 1,000 yards, those 3" wide fore end stocks on a front rest I feel are much better suited to shooting little groups at 1000 yards.

My most recent rifle is a 6mm BR Norma with a Mcmillan BR stock. I plan on using this rifle for some 600 and 1000 yard Benchrest competition that we have locally, along with F-Class. I bring this up as different disciplines are better suited with different stocks. So I would look into the different discipline of LR shooting and see what sparks your interest the most and make amy stock choice based off that.

I believe that this will prove to be an extremely accurate build. You have selected top notch components and I believe you will have a very impressive performing rifle. Looking forward to see what you end up building and how it performs!

 

[ajvigs]

You have received a lot of good advice, and USMC89 is a great guy to gather advice on for long range shooting. He is a master of his trait. I have always enjoyed long range shooting and I believe the action choice you've made is excellent. For barrels I too like the heavy palma contour and if you choose a 6.5x47, I'd get 1-8" twist and finish at 24". For the 6mm, same contour, 1-7" twist and finish at 22 inches.

One question though regarding your stock choice. What long range events are you wanting to participate in? F-class, LR prone, 600 or 1000 yard BR, tactical? The disciplines you wish to shoot can have a large impact on your stock choice. I have a .300 Win. Mag that I have used in tactical matches, F-class and long range hunting. I chose an McMillan A3 Stock for that rifle as it fits me very comfortably and is suited for a bipod for hunting and tactical matches. In F-class however, I feel that A3 stock is less well suited for that type of competition because bipods do bounce a tad, and at 1,000 yards, those 3" wide fore end stocks on a front rest I feel are much better suited to shooting little groups at 1000 yards.

My most recent rifle is a 6mm BR Norma with a Mcmillan BR stock. I plan on using this rifle for some 600 and 1000 yard Benchrest competition that we have locally, along with F-Class. I bring this up as different disciplines are better suited with different stocks. So I would look into the different discipline of LR shooting and see what sparks your interest the most and make amy stock choice based off that.

I believe that this will prove to be an extremely accurate build. You have selected top notch components and I believe you will have a very impressive performing rifle. Looking forward to see what you end up building and how it performs!

I am gearing more towards the tactical type matches, and for that reason I will either end up with a McMillan or Manners of some sort.

Now to save up for everything. Rbros and GAP both have models similar to what I want...but once again I think im gonna keep my eyes on used rigs that match what I want then run my finds by this forum for a yay or nay.

 

[Woodycreek]

Another vote for the 6x47 Lapua. Thinking about a rebarrel job on my 243 AI with a Bartlein 24" 1-8" twist in 6x47.

 

[ajvigs]

Another vote for the 6x47 Lapua. Thinking about a rebarrel job on my 243 AI with a Bartlein 24" 1-8" twist in 6x47.

Which of the 47's will give me better barrel life? If I am correct, pushing the 105's at that speed can eat a barrel faster then the 130's in the 6.5?

 

[Woodycreek]

Both should produce excellent groups for at least 1200-1500 rounds. I'm sure Jeff and Joel would have a better idea on barrel life for both.

 

[257 Ackley]

Thanks joel, wont fill the house with trophies that quickly, three forks is the only match that has trophies. I must say i do like the cash better than the trophies. I will be at your house around friday of next week. I will bring the Knights Armament SR15 with me so you can take a peek. My sister wants to shoot a gun for the first time so I figured this would be a good one to start with, I put the 4-16x42 schmidt pmII on it, looks good. That gun also ran in -20° weather so i was impressed. If you happen to get a chance to snag some .223 brass I would like to buy some.

Looking forward to seeing you Jeff. That rig should be fun to check out. I will call the Gunstop and see if they have any .223 brass. I'm figuring you want Lapua. They are supposed to be getting in 350,000 105 hybrids in the next week.

 

[.300winmag]

You have received a lot of good advice, and USMC89 is a great guy to gather advice on for long range shooting. He is a master of his trait. I have always enjoyed long range shooting and I believe the action choice you've made is excellent. For barrels I too like the heavy palma contour and if you choose a 6.5x47, I'd get 1-8" twist and finish at 24". For the 6mm, same contour, 1-7" twist and finish at 22 inches.

One question though regarding your stock choice. What long range events are you wanting to participate in? F-class, LR prone, 600 or 1000 yard BR, tactical? The disciplines you wish to shoot can have a large impact on your stock choice. I have a .300 Win. Mag that I have used in tactical matches, F-class and long range hunting. I chose an McMillan A3 Stock for that rifle as it fits me very comfortably and is suited for a bipod for hunting and tactical matches. In F-class however, I feel that A3 stock is less well suited for that type of competition because bipods do bounce a tad, and at 1,000 yards, those 3" wide fore end stocks on a front rest I feel are much better suited to shooting little groups at 1000 yards.

My most recent rifle is a 6mm BR Norma with a Mcmillan BR stock. I plan on using this rifle for some 600 and 1000 yard Benchrest competition that we have locally, along with F-Class. I bring this up as different disciplines are better suited with different stocks. So I would look into the different discipline of LR shooting and see what sparks your interest the most and make amy stock choice based off that.

I believe that this will prove to be an extremely accurate build. You have selected top notch components and I believe you will have a very impressive performing rifle. Looking forward to see what you end up building and how it performs!

I am gearing more towards the tactical type matches, and for that reason I will either end up with a McMillan or Manners of some sort.

Now to save up for everything. Rbros and GAP both have models similar to what I want...but once again I think im gonna keep my eyes on used rigs that match what I want then run my finds by this forum for a yay or nay.

Excellent. I'm a huge fan of the A3 stocks with the adjustable cheek piece. I like the A5's as well but I do not care for the butt hook. Never owned a Manner's stock, but I've heard nothing but good about them. Can't go wrong with either.

 

[usmc 89]

My buddy I won the three forks match with has 1300 rounds through his 6.5x47 and it still shoots well. I have just under 800 on my 6x47 and have not noticed any difference since it was new in regards to accuracy. I would imagine 1800-2000 in a match environment would be expected with the 6x47 and maybe a bit more with the 6.5. I wouldnt hinge my decision on barrel life, weigh the benefits of one caliber to the next and go from there. The 6x47 gives you an edge over the 6.5x47 in regards to recoil and rifle movement, this does play a part when they put you in a less than ideal shooting position "which they will" and your rifle is more influenced by the recoil impulse. Either 47 variant is more than capable of winning so you cant go wrong with either, If you want a little more barrel life "maybe 10%" go with the 6.5x47, If you want a little less movement and a bit flatter shooting rifle the 6x47 will get it done. Remeber the money.saved in barrel life will be spent in paying more for the 6.5 bullet over the 6mm bullet.