New member need help with 30-338 Winchester load

Ehgbyf

Welcome to the forum, glad to have you here.
I'm sure the fella's with Quick Load will be along shortly to assist you.
Off hand, I would think RL 22 and similar burn rate powders would be a good starting point.

JD338
 
Welcome aboard, Eghbyf. Here is some QL data that may be of help to you.

Code: 
Cartridge          : .30/338 Win. Mag.
Bullet             : .308, 165, Nosler Accubond 55602
Useable Case Capaci: 76.481 grain H2O = 4.966 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 61000 psi, or 420 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 107 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

16 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP                          104.3     76.7     4.97    3197    99.4    61000   12898   1.107  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    106.0     76.3     4.95    3182    96.9    61000   13060   1.104  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    106.3     79.6     5.16    3169    95.4    61000   13070   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       104.4     75.6     4.90    3164    97.3    61000   12639   1.097  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 106.2     75.7     4.91    3161    98.5    61000   12631   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       106.2     75.7     4.91    3161    98.5    61000   12631   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                       106.2     75.7     4.91    3161    98.5    61000   12631   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        105.3     75.0     4.86    3147    97.1    61000   12500   1.096  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                            93.5     69.2     4.48    3146   100.0    61000   11432   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                  93.5     69.2     4.48    3146   100.0    61000   11432   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     105.8     81.3     5.26    3136    99.0    61000   12078   1.103  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  107.0     80.5     5.22    3118    97.2    57642   12681   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        102.2     71.6     4.64    3116    98.2    61000   11940   1.101  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                 95.1     71.4     4.63    3114    99.7    61000   11734   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 102.7     72.4     4.69    3114    98.3    61000   12010   1.109  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                      98.2     71.5     4.63    3113    99.7    61000   11717   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                107.0     80.5     5.22    3112    97.0    57304   12680   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       100.1     70.2     4.55    3111   100.0    61000   10919   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      92.8     69.2     4.48    3110    99.4    61000   11740   1.117  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        92.8     69.2     4.48    3110    99.4    61000   11740   1.117  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      107.0     74.9     4.85    3109    96.6    60292   12197   1.117  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         103.5     72.9     4.73    3106    98.3    61000   11921   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                     107.0     74.6     4.84    3094    97.7    56944   12445   1.145  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        107.0     74.6     4.84    3094    97.7    56944   12445   1.145  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                           97.8     68.2     4.42    3094   100.0    61000   11249   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation          97.8     68.2     4.42    3094   100.0    61000   11246   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                     95.0     68.4     4.43    3093   100.0    61000   11380   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                       97.0     68.4     4.43    3090   100.0    61000   11230   1.139  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          100.6     70.9     4.59    3088    98.1    61000   11689   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                           97.4     70.9     4.59    3088    98.1    61000   11689   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        100.6     70.9     4.59    3088    98.1    61000   11689   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   103.9     74.0     4.80    3083    96.4    61000   11758   1.107  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       103.0     73.4     4.75    3077    99.0    61000   11515   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           102.6     69.3     4.49    3075   100.0    61000   11008   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation        98.2     70.3     4.55    3067    99.2    61000   11317   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      106.3     74.9     4.85    3066    99.7    61000   11245   1.142  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             101.2     75.3     4.88    3062    98.2    61000   11386   1.114  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        107.0     78.3     5.07    3056    96.3    56472   12114   1.135  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      101.3     70.4     4.56    3055    97.2    61000   11365   1.113  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           107.0     73.3     4.75    3054    95.9    54593   12290   1.154  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                100.4     68.5     4.44    3054   100.0    61000   10370   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                          97.4     67.9     4.40    3051    99.4    61000   11139   1.131  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      107.0     73.3     4.75    3050    96.0    58930   11652   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                      100.0     69.0     4.47    3050    98.9    61000   11087   1.116  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        90.3     65.0     4.21    3050   100.0    61000   10859   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                            98.2     68.8     4.46    3049    99.0    61000   11068   1.116  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       107.0     76.9     4.98    3044    94.0    57417   11998   1.132  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       90.6     64.6     4.18    3039   100.0    61000   10446   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          90.6     64.6     4.18    3039   100.0    61000   10446   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                       92.6     64.6     4.19    3035   100.0    61000   10367   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25                 107.0     75.0     4.86    3030    99.5    51109   12191   1.192
Somchem S355                        92.7     64.0     4.15    3030   100.0    61000   10371   1.135  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                          95.1     65.8     4.26    3030    99.0    61000   10937   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                       95.1     65.8     4.26    3030    99.0    61000   10937   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        92.1     65.9     4.27    3029    99.0    61000   10929   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                          96.2     66.4     4.30    3029    99.8    61000   10743   1.131  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165                    107.0     74.6     4.84    3020    98.4    58440   11127   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       100.2     75.3     4.88    3019    96.4    61000   11102   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160                    107.0     72.3     4.69    3004    96.7    58893   11045   1.134  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       90.0     62.1     4.02    2995   100.0    61000    9800   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700                       92.2     67.8     4.40    2980    98.8    61000   10320   1.129  ! Near Maximum !

Code: 
Cartridge          : .30/338 Win. Mag.
Bullet             : .308, 165, Nosler Accubond 55602
Useable Case Capaci: 76.481 grain H2O = 4.966 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-22

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   85    60.88   2497    2284   30703   9870     87.6    1.506
-18.0   88    62.40   2564    2408   32892  10217     89.2    1.466
-16.0   90    63.92   2631    2537   35245  10554     90.6    1.427
-14.0   92    65.45   2699    2669   37778  10879     91.9    1.385
-12.0   94    66.97   2767    2806   40506  11190     93.2    1.341
-10.0   96    68.49   2836    2946   43446  11486     94.4    1.297
-08.0   98    70.01   2904    3090   46620  11765     95.4    1.255
-06.0  100    71.53   2973    3238   50048  12025     96.4    1.214
-04.0  103    73.06   3041    3389   53756  12265     97.3    1.175  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  105    74.58   3110    3544   57770  12483     98.0    1.137  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  107    76.10   3179    3702   62124  12678     98.6    1.101  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  109    77.62   3247    3863   66824  12847     99.1    1.066  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  111    79.14   3315    4027   71897  12991     99.5    1.032  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  113    80.67   3383    4194   77398  13106     99.8    0.999  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  115    82.19   3451    4364   83374  13191    100.0    0.967  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  117    83.71   3519    4537   89879  13248    100.0    0.936  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    107    76.10   3337    4080   75934  12332    100.0    1.013  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    107    76.10   2960    3211   49488  12277     92.3    1.215
 
Thanks. I have never used quick load. Is 97.3 grs of 7828 sc the max? I will start below that but I want to make sure I am working with the right number.
 
Ehgbyf":gsd6wcic said:
Thanks. I have never used quick load. Is 97.3 grs of 7828 sc the max? I will start below that but I want to make sure I am working with the right number.
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Note that I set the parameter for the overview at 61000 psi. Therefore, the charge or 75.6 grains is near max. Increasing the charge to a maximum generating under 63000 psi gives the following profile:

Code: 
Cartridge          : .30/338 Win. Mag.
Bullet             : .308, 165, Nosler Accubond 55602
Useable Case Capaci: 76.481 grain H2O = 4.966 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : IMR 7828 SSC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   84    60.80   2477    2248   30623   9660     84.5    1.497
-18.0   86    62.32   2545    2374   32807  10026     86.2    1.456
-16.0   88    63.84   2614    2504   35156  10383     87.8    1.417
-14.0   90    65.36   2684    2639   37686  10730     89.3    1.375
-12.0   92    66.88   2754    2778   40413  11064     90.8    1.329
-10.0   94    68.40   2824    2922   43357  11383     92.1    1.286
-08.0   97    69.92   2895    3071   46537  11685     93.4    1.243
-06.0   99    71.44   2966    3224   49975  11969     94.6    1.202
-04.0  101    72.96   3038    3381   53700  12233     95.7    1.163  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  103    74.48   3110    3543   57743  12474     96.6    1.124  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  105    76.00   3182    3709   62135  12691     97.5    1.087  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  107    77.52   3254    3879   66917  12882     98.2    1.052  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  109    79.04   3326    4053   72135  13045     98.8    1.017  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  111    80.56   3398    4230   77837  13178     99.3    0.984  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  113    82.08   3470    4411   84090  13280     99.7    0.951  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  115    83.60   3542    4596   90961  13348     99.9    0.920  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    105    76.00   3354    4122   75754  12476    100.0    1.001  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    105    76.00   2951    3190   50331  12103     89.9    1.198

The extra 0.4 grain will gain you 28 fps in a 24 inch barrel. That isn't significant in the real world.
 
Thanks. I was looking at the prop burn column. 97.3 grains seemed way high to me that is why I asked.

I am interested in buying quick load. What inputs do you have to know in order to get an accurate calculation? I have been reloading for over 20 years and have always used my books and my chronograph but i really like the data above. I have never seen a spreadsheet for a cartridge before today.

Thank you all very much. I have several wildcats and quick load would be great for me once I understand how it works.
 
I highly commend QuickLoad for hand loaders. It is a wealth of information. Among data input that is truly vital is overfill case volume. Deoxygenate some water (let it set overnight exposed to the air). Weigh the case empty (with primer in place or flash hole sealed with was) and then with the case filled until there is a convex meniscus. The difference is overfill case volume, which allows for more precise calculations. Generally, our chambers are slightly larger than SAAMI standards, which means to achieve projected velocities, we will require a slightly greater powder charge.
 
DrMike":1bho0457 said:
I highly commend QuickLoad for hand loaders. It is a wealth of information. Among data input that is truly vital is overfill case volume. Deoxygenate some water (let it set overnight exposed to the air). Weigh the case empty (with primer in place or flash hole sealed with was) and then with the case filled until there is a convex meniscus. The difference is overfill case volume, which allows for more precise calculations. Generally, our chambers are slightly larger than SAAMI standards, which means to achieve projected velocities, we will require a slightly greater powder charge.
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I echo everything Mike posted.. Wouldn't be without it..

Also, the 30-338 is a SWEET one! What is the rifle? I just passed on a beautiful Pre64 that was rechambered to a 30-338.. Still kicking myself in the butt a little!
 
BTW 200 gr PT's and 3000 fps is possible in that cartridge! :wink:
 
Gun is a pre 64 with Shilen barrel, McMillan stock, and Williams bottom metal. It was the 1 st custom gun I ever had built. My parents paid for 1/2 of it for my high school graduation present. It has a 3-12-56 zeiss victory on top of it and timney trigger.
 
I agree. I am very fortunate. I built the gun in 1993 and upgraded the scope about 4 years ago.
 
Wow. Now that's a cool build! Love to see a picture. The 308 Norma and 30-338 are two cool cartridges.
 
The rifle sounds like a keeper. When you have the chance, do post some photos.
 
ReLoder 22 would be a good one; it is assuredly a favourite of many who post on here. I buy it in five pound jugs.

Code: 
Cartridge          : .30/338 Win. Mag.
Bullet             : .308, 165, Nosler Accubond 55602
Useable Case Capaci: 76.481 grain H2O = 4.966 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-22

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   85    60.88   2497    2284   30703   9870     87.6    1.506
-18.0   88    62.40   2564    2408   32892  10217     89.2    1.466
-16.0   90    63.92   2631    2537   35245  10554     90.6    1.427
-14.0   92    65.45   2699    2669   37778  10879     91.9    1.385
-12.0   94    66.97   2767    2806   40506  11190     93.2    1.341
-10.0   96    68.49   2836    2946   43446  11486     94.4    1.297
-08.0   98    70.01   2904    3090   46620  11765     95.4    1.255
-06.0  100    71.53   2973    3238   50048  12025     96.4    1.214
-04.0  103    73.06   3041    3389   53756  12265     97.3    1.175  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  105    74.58   3110    3544   57770  12483     98.0    1.137  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  107    76.10   3179    3702   62124  12678     98.6    1.101  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  109    77.62   3247    3863   66824  12847     99.1    1.066  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  111    79.14   3315    4027   71897  12991     99.5    1.032  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  113    80.67   3383    4194   77398  13106     99.8    0.999  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  115    82.19   3451    4364   83374  13191    100.0    0.967  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  117    83.71   3519    4537   89879  13248    100.0    0.936  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    107    76.10   3337    4080   75934  12332    100.0    1.013  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    107    76.10   2960    3211   49488  12277     92.3    1.215
 
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