All Righty then! You guys with the Quick Load...what would be (a) the "optimum" powder with smallest amount (b) producing the lowest pressure ( with a velocity of 2600) in a 22" 35 Whelen Ackley Improved and a 250gr Bullet ( Partition and Speer?) Lets see your "magic"?
Old School QL Request...Please.
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Ammo Smith
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Preacher if you look in your QL pressure request post you will see where jimbries ran a QL for RL15 and the 250 Nosler PT. and the 101% fill load gives you 2602 at just around 60450Kpsi.
I do believe that should answer your question.
I do believe that should answer your question.
Ridgerunner665
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Hodgden H322
10x will do it with very slightly less powder, but H322 is a far better powder than 10x
10x will do it with very slightly less powder, but H322 is a far better powder than 10x
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No, I did that with a 225 grain bullet...
For a 250 grain bullet, in a 22" barrel...there is only 1 possibility...Reloder 17.
For a 250 grain bullet, in a 22" barrel...there is only 1 possibility...Reloder 17.
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Cartridge : .35 Whelen Ack. Imp.
Bullet : .358, 250, Nosler PART SP 44801
Useable Case Capaci: 65.470 grain H2O = 4.251 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 56000 psi, or 386 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 102 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
57 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Alliant Reloder-17 102.0 64.6 4.18 2601 99.5 53329 9411 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 102.0 64.6 4.18 2594 99.8 51881 9486 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52 98.4 61.3 3.97 2581 100.0 56000 8701 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 102.0 65.1 4.22 2576 95.7 55253 9284 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 102.0 65.1 4.22 2576 95.7 55253 9284 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 92.0 61.9 4.01 2571 99.6 56000 8773 1.139 ! Near Maximum !Ridgerunner665
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I don't know... I just gave him what QuickLoad told me based on his parameters....
Lowest powder charge, lowest pressure, at 2,600 fps.... In a 22" barrel.
Lowest powder charge, lowest pressure, at 2,600 fps.... In a 22" barrel.
Ridgerunner665
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Lol... Me too brother.
How much more capacity does the AI have than the standard Whelen?
QL says 6 grains... But every chamber varies, especially if it's an Ackley chamber it seems.
How much more capacity does the AI have than the standard Whelen?
QL says 6 grains... But every chamber varies, especially if it's an Ackley chamber it seems.
No clue to be honest.
6 grains seems like a lot to me but with those old dirty Rem chambers I'd bet it's a closer gap. Hard telling though.
I run 60 grains of 15 with a 250 Partition for 2620 or so. Im a mile from the rifling but I wouldn't wanna creep much further.
6 grains seems like a lot to me but with those old dirty Rem chambers I'd bet it's a closer gap. Hard telling though.
I run 60 grains of 15 with a 250 Partition for 2620 or so. Im a mile from the rifling but I wouldn't wanna creep much further.
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nvbroncrider
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I thought that was pretty close as long as your velocity correlates to the charge weight being used. However if for instance your running 51 gr and getting 2600 the pressure will be the same as if your running say 55 and getting 2600 using the same powder and components.
For instance Scotty and I are both running H1000 in our 7MSM 175 PT his original lot he was running something like 71 gr my lot I run 74 and his new lot he's running like 76. Same pressure and velocities but different lots of powder and burn rates. Rifles are same length barrel and the same reamer was used. Bottom line you have to have pressure to get velocity.
I also run a 338-06AI and it doesn't show any pressure up to around 70-75k but I did start seeing primer pockets loosen after 3-4 firings and a random ejector mark like 1 every 50 rounds. I did end up backing down to something that was fail safe. I bet if you took 3 cases and loaded them over and over it would tell you if your truly running a safe load.
For instance Scotty and I are both running H1000 in our 7MSM 175 PT his original lot he was running something like 71 gr my lot I run 74 and his new lot he's running like 76. Same pressure and velocities but different lots of powder and burn rates. Rifles are same length barrel and the same reamer was used. Bottom line you have to have pressure to get velocity.
I also run a 338-06AI and it doesn't show any pressure up to around 70-75k but I did start seeing primer pockets loosen after 3-4 firings and a random ejector mark like 1 every 50 rounds. I did end up backing down to something that was fail safe. I bet if you took 3 cases and loaded them over and over it would tell you if your truly running a safe load.
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I don't/haven't hunted with anything but the 200X and the 310 Woodleigh for awhile now...its not a high priority for me for the 250...that's why I don't do as you suggest with the 3 cases. I think I'd just as soon fall back to a lighter charge or different powder and see if I can find good accuracy around 2600 via my chronograph. As mentioned, this is old rifle is such a good ol friend, I don't want to strain it just for my OCD curiosity, ha. Thanks Pard
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Too late...made up my mind to have this rifle converted to the 358 Norma mag! It "is what it is" now, 1 in 16" twist and all, ha. I just can't gamble on hurting my only good eye and besides, I have had a love affair with the Whelen since '87, its time to move on at age 63! 
DrMike
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preacher":24bsexg5 said:I have had a love affair with the Whelen since '87, its time to move on at age 63!
'Atta boy, preacher; love 'em and leave 'em! :shock:
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I thought of a favorite line by Lee Marvin in "Spikes Gang", I'll make it relevant..."I've left rifles dead, I've left rifles dying, I've left rifles calling my name...but ol Preacher is still trying new cartridges just the same"! ha
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if I get some good velocities in that slower 16" twist, especially with the 180, 200 and 225s! :lol:
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if I get some good velocities in that slower 16" twist, especially with the 180, 200 and 225s!
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My SIL uses that 225 NAB around 2800 in his Whelen AI, its a proven elk killer! Seems I can figure around 2850 to 2900 with the 225s from what I can and what DocM said about this 22" bbl. Plenty. I ordered the DoubleTap 358NM with the 180TTSX bullet...should be a hummer!
