QL request, 444 Marlin, 280 gr Swift A frame
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- Oct 30, 2004
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Sorry, just saw this.
I have loaded that bullet in mine. Great bullet choice. Probably perfect for that cartridge for an expanding bullet. With the AFrame, you sure don't have to worry about it coming apart.
Here's a group powder run. I capped the pressure at 45k. (QL says 51k but I figure in the Marlin 45 will get it done)
Here's 4198 which I like quite a bit.
Here's the 322 which you also asked about. Going to be hard to get enough in the case though.
Here's what I settled on. I load 43.5
Couple thoughts for you. In mine, I use the Lee FCD. With the 280 A Frame, I found best accuracy seated and crimped with the top of the cannelure even with the mouth of the case. I set the FCD to where I feel it engage and about a half turn tighter for the 444. That's where I found the accuracy to be in mine. YMMV. :grin:
I have loaded that bullet in mine. Great bullet choice. Probably perfect for that cartridge for an expanding bullet. With the AFrame, you sure don't have to worry about it coming apart.
Here's a group powder run. I capped the pressure at 45k. (QL says 51k but I figure in the Marlin 45 will get it done)
Code:
Cartridge : .444 Marlin
Bullet : .430, 280, Swift A-F/HP
Useable Case Capaci: 49.641 grain H2O = 3.223 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.570 inch = 65.28 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 45052 psi, or 310 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39 109.5 51.2 3.32 2316 99.6 45052 4436 1.159 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 104.0 48.9 3.17 2292 97.3 45052 4507 1.164 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 200 107.3 48.0 3.11 2267 98.3 45052 4328 1.192 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2207 104.1 44.6 2.89 2255 99.8 45052 4074 1.177 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-10x 110.0 47.5 3.08 2251 97.2 43746 4348 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 105.9 51.8 3.36 2245 92.0 45052 4452 1.179 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 105.8 51.9 3.36 2244 92.0 45052 4445 1.179 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2219 105.4 49.8 3.23 2238 93.2 45052 4392 1.177 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H335 105.9 52.9 3.43 2235 91.7 45052 4452 1.180 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 40 109.5 51.1 3.31 2218 90.4 45052 4330 1.185 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.4 108.8 53.4 3.46 2210 89.5 45052 4262 1.190 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-7 102.1 45.2 2.93 2210 97.9 45052 4038 1.198 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2460 110.0 54.2 3.51 2200 89.1 42887 4326 1.211 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 110.0 54.2 3.51 2196 87.4 43131 4453 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 110.0 54.2 3.51 2194 87.5 42700 4408 1.210 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 110.0 54.0 3.50 2192 88.9 42326 4312 1.217 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 110.0 48.9 3.17 2192 92.2 42049 4307 1.211 ! Near Maximum !
Kazan Sunar 308W 106.4 47.6 3.09 2191 96.6 45052 3995 1.198 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2230 109.2 54.1 3.51 2187 86.7 45052 4185 1.195 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2210 105.2 49.7 3.22 2183 89.5 45052 4151 1.197 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-12 110.0 51.3 3.33 2183 92.6 43057 4208 1.207 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 101.7 47.3 3.06 2179 91.0 45052 4077 1.198 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI BM2 102.4 49.9 3.24 2172 89.4 45052 4094 1.203 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N530 110.0 50.6 3.28 2172 87.0 42388 4273 1.215 ! Near Maximum !Here's 4198 which I like quite a bit.
Code:
Cartridge : .444 Marlin
Bullet : .430, 280, Swift A-F/HP
Useable Case Capaci: 49.641 grain H2O = 3.223 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.570 inch = 65.28 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4198
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.164% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-11.6 88 37.97 1880 2196 29900 3260 86.8 1.430
-10.5 90 38.47 1903 2251 30984 3312 87.4 1.409
-09.3 91 38.97 1926 2306 32105 3363 88.0 1.387
-08.1 92 39.47 1949 2361 33265 3413 88.6 1.366
-07.0 93 39.97 1972 2418 34467 3463 89.2 1.346
-05.8 94 40.47 1995 2475 35711 3512 89.7 1.326
-04.7 95 40.97 2018 2532 37000 3560 90.3 1.306
-03.5 96 41.47 2041 2590 38333 3607 90.8 1.287 ! Near Maximum !
-02.3 98 41.97 2064 2649 39708 3653 91.4 1.268 ! Near Maximum !
-01.2 99 42.47 2087 2708 41128 3699 91.9 1.250 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 42.97 2110 2768 42599 3743 92.4 1.232 ! Near Maximum !
+01.2 101 43.47 2133 2829 44124 3786 92.8 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
+02.3 102 43.97 2156 2890 45705 3828 93.3 1.197 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.5 103 44.47 2179 2951 47344 3870 93.7 1.180 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.7 105 44.97 2202 3014 49045 3910 94.2 1.163 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.8 106 45.47 2224 3077 50809 3948 94.6 1.147 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 42.97 2165 2914 46298 3797 95.2 1.190 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 42.97 2049 2610 38935 3654 88.9 1.279 ! Near Maximum !Here's the 322 which you also asked about. Going to be hard to get enough in the case though.
Code:
Cartridge : .444 Marlin
Bullet : .430, 280, Swift A-F/HP
Useable Case Capaci: 49.641 grain H2O = 3.223 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.570 inch = 65.28 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H322
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.072% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.7 94 41.64 1847 2122 25297 3527 82.9 1.509
-09.7 95 42.14 1871 2176 26189 3587 83.7 1.486
-08.6 96 42.64 1894 2231 27113 3647 84.4 1.463
-07.5 97 43.14 1918 2287 28070 3705 85.1 1.441
-06.4 98 43.64 1942 2344 29065 3763 85.8 1.418
-05.4 99 44.14 1966 2402 30091 3820 86.5 1.397
-04.3 101 44.64 1989 2460 31167 3876 87.2 1.376
-03.2 102 45.14 2013 2520 32279 3931 87.8 1.355
-02.1 103 45.64 2037 2580 33434 3985 88.5 1.334
-01.1 104 46.14 2061 2641 34633 4038 89.1 1.314
+00.0 105 46.64 2085 2702 35880 4090 89.7 1.294
+01.1 106 47.14 2109 2765 37176 4141 90.3 1.275
+02.1 107 47.64 2133 2828 38522 4191 90.9 1.256 ! Near Maximum !
+03.2 108 48.14 2157 2893 39927 4239 91.4 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
+04.3 110 48.64 2181 2958 41388 4287 92.0 1.219 ! Near Maximum !
+05.4 111 49.14 2205 3023 42909 4332 92.5 1.201 ! Near Maximum !
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 46.64 2156 2889 39394 4191 93.4 1.241 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 105 46.64 2007 2503 32563 3939 85.1 1.354Here's what I settled on. I load 43.5
Code:
Cartridge : .444 Marlin
Bullet : .430, 280, Swift A-F/HP
Useable Case Capaci: 49.641 grain H2O = 3.223 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.570 inch = 65.28 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N120
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.158% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-11.6 91 38.20 1940 2339 28438 3436 97.8 1.428
-10.4 93 38.70 1962 2394 29487 3472 98.1 1.406
-09.3 94 39.20 1985 2450 30573 3506 98.4 1.385
-08.1 95 39.70 2007 2505 31700 3539 98.7 1.364
-06.9 96 40.20 2030 2561 32866 3570 99.0 1.343
-05.8 97 40.70 2052 2618 34075 3599 99.2 1.323
-04.6 99 41.20 2074 2674 35329 3627 99.4 1.304
-03.5 100 41.70 2096 2731 36629 3652 99.6 1.284
-02.3 101 42.20 2117 2788 37977 3676 99.7 1.266
-01.2 102 42.70 2139 2845 39376 3698 99.8 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 103 43.20 2161 2902 40826 3717 99.9 1.229 ! Near Maximum !
+01.2 105 43.70 2182 2960 42332 3735 100.0 1.212 ! Near Maximum !
+02.3 106 44.20 2203 3017 43895 3751 100.0 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
+03.5 107 44.70 2224 3075 45516 3765 100.0 1.178 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.6 108 45.20 2245 3133 47202 3778 100.0 1.161 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.8 109 45.70 2266 3191 48952 3791 100.0 1.145 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 43.20 2204 3020 45205 3612 100.0 1.186 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 43.20 2107 2760 36757 3782 98.8 1.279Couple thoughts for you. In mine, I use the Lee FCD. With the 280 A Frame, I found best accuracy seated and crimped with the top of the cannelure even with the mouth of the case. I set the FCD to where I feel it engage and about a half turn tighter for the 444. That's where I found the accuracy to be in mine. YMMV. :grin:
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Thanks Dewey and everyone else.
I also have about a half a pound H 335, which looks pretty good also.
I will take your advice on the length and crimp. My Marlin has always shot extremely well. It is usually the most accurate out of all my rifles.. not bad for a lever gun.
Thanks again
Ed
I also have about a half a pound H 335, which looks pretty good also.
I will take your advice on the length and crimp. My Marlin has always shot extremely well. It is usually the most accurate out of all my rifles.. not bad for a lever gun.
Thanks again
Ed
