Quick Load

[velvetant]

Can I get some QL data for the 6.5 Creedmoor.
Data is still limited for the 6.5 CM.
It's listed in my Hodgdon manual but I'd like to try some other Powers.
130 Berger Hunting VLD COAL 2.825"
123 Hornady A-Max COAL 2.825"
I'm guesing at the OAL based on my talks with my smith.
I'm using a 27" 1-8 twist 3 groove Lilja barrel.

Thanks
Randy

 

[DrMike]

Randy,

What powders are you thinking of using?

 

[velvetant]

Randy,

What powders are you thinking of using?

Mike
Not real sure yet
RE17 -RE19 and VVN550 are close to the H4350 burn rate so I'll try them
Thanks for the PM

Randy

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge : 6.5 Creedmoor Hornady
Bullet : .264, 130, Berger VLD G7 #26503
Useable Case Capaci: 46.943 grain H2O = 3.048 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 27.0 inch = 685.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 74 33.60 2430 1704 31345 7030 96.6 1.643
-18.0 76 34.44 2485 1782 33338 7206 97.3 1.603
-16.0 78 35.28 2539 1861 35451 7371 98.0 1.568
-14.0 80 36.12 2594 1942 37695 7525 98.6 1.525
-12.0 81 36.96 2648 2024 40078 7666 99.1 1.483
-10.0 83 37.80 2701 2106 42609 7794 99.5 1.443
-08.0 85 38.64 2754 2190 45298 7908 99.8 1.403
-06.0 87 39.48 2807 2274 48156 8009 99.9 1.365
-04.0 89 40.32 2859 2359 51197 8095 100.0 1.329 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 91 41.16 2910 2445 54435 8171 100.0 1.293 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 93 42.00 2961 2531 57883 8244 100.0 1.260 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 94 42.84 3012 2618 61560 8316 100.0 1.227 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 96 43.68 3062 2706 65481 8385 100.0 1.196 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 98 44.52 3111 2794 69669 8452 100.0 1.165 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 100 45.36 3160 2883 74147 8516 100.0 1.136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 102 46.20 3209 2973 78938 8578 100.0 1.107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 93 42.00 3056 2696 68987 7933 100.0 1.180 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 93 42.00 2816 2290 47831 8498 98.4 1.365

Cartridge : 6.5 Creedmoor Hornady
Bullet : .264, 130, Berger VLD G7 #26503
Useable Case Capaci: 46.943 grain H2O = 3.048 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 27.0 inch = 685.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-19

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 84 36.40 2377 1631 30046 7065 88.5 1.688
-18.0 86 37.31 2436 1712 32058 7295 89.8 1.643
-16.0 88 38.22 2495 1797 34208 7518 91.0 1.599
-14.0 90 39.13 2554 1883 36506 7734 92.2 1.557
-12.0 93 40.04 2613 1971 38963 7942 93.3 1.512
-10.0 95 40.95 2672 2062 41594 8142 94.3 1.467
-08.0 97 41.86 2732 2154 44411 8331 95.2 1.423
-06.0 99 42.77 2791 2249 47432 8510 96.1 1.382
-04.0 101 43.68 2850 2345 50675 8678 96.9 1.341
-02.0 103 44.59 2910 2444 54157 8833 97.6 1.302 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 105 45.50 2969 2544 57901 8976 98.2 1.265 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 107 46.41 3028 2646 61933 9105 98.7 1.229 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 109 47.32 3087 2750 66281 9219 99.1 1.194 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 111 48.23 3145 2855 70962 9318 99.5 1.160 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 114 49.14 3204 2963 76054 9401 99.7 1.127 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 116 50.05 3262 3071 81529 9467 99.9 1.095 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 45.50 3105 2782 69612 8778 100.0 1.175 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 105 45.50 2785 2238 47293 8704 92.1 1.381

Cartridge : 6.5 Creedmoor Hornady
Bullet : .264, 130, Berger VLD G7 #26503
Useable Case Capaci: 46.943 grain H2O = 3.048 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 27.0 inch = 685.8 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N550

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 78 34.40 2407 1673 30899 7106 95.1 1.692
-18.0 80 35.26 2463 1752 32938 7296 96.0 1.648
-16.0 82 36.12 2519 1832 35094 7476 96.8 1.606
-14.0 84 36.98 2575 1914 37385 7646 97.5 1.564
-12.0 86 37.84 2630 1997 39820 7806 98.1 1.519
-10.0 88 38.70 2685 2081 42409 7955 98.7 1.475
-08.0 89 39.56 2740 2167 45161 8091 99.1 1.433
-06.0 91 40.42 2794 2253 48088 8216 99.5 1.394
-04.0 93 41.28 2848 2341 51201 8327 99.8 1.355 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 95 42.14 2901 2429 54515 8424 99.9 1.318 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 97 43.00 2954 2519 58044 8508 100.0 1.282 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 99 43.86 3006 2609 61804 8580 100.0 1.248 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 101 44.72 3058 2699 65813 8649 100.0 1.215 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 103 45.58 3109 2791 70091 8716 100.0 1.182 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 105 46.44 3160 2883 74662 8781 100.0 1.152 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 107 47.30 3211 2976 79549 8842 100.0 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 97 43.00 3059 2701 69309 8174 100.0 1.195 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 97 43.00 2797 2259 47044 8632 97.3 1.399

 

[velvetant]

Thanks Mike
2800-2850fps is about normal for a 130 bullet.
Surprised the VVN 550 did not due better since it's one of the high energy powders.
I'll be starting with H4350, Already have a bunch of that on hand.
Looks like RE-19 will be the second powder I try.
I'm sure I can bum sum off one of my shooting buddies.

thanks again
Randy

 

[DrMike]

Randy,

I'm not really certain why the data I generated didn't send in my PM. There was considerably more than did send, I just discovered. Powders that generate a bit more velocity include VN560, MagPro, RL22 and Magnum.

Cartridge : 6.5 Creedmoor Hornady
Bullet : .264, 130, Berger VLD G7 #26503
Useable Case Capaci: 46.943 grain H2O = 3.048 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 27.0 inch = 685.8 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N560

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 88 38.72 2399 1661 29415 7547 84.7 1.692
-18.0 90 39.69 2464 1752 31493 7820 86.2 1.645
-16.0 92 40.66 2529 1846 33732 8087 87.7 1.600
-14.0 94 41.62 2594 1942 36141 8346 89.2 1.555
-12.0 96 42.59 2660 2042 38738 8595 90.5 1.508
-10.0 99 43.56 2726 2145 41541 8834 91.8 1.459
-08.0 101 44.53 2793 2251 44569 9062 93.0 1.412
-06.0 103 45.50 2859 2360 47844 9277 94.1 1.367
-04.0 105 46.46 2926 2472 51394 9478 95.2 1.324 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 107 47.43 2993 2586 55243 9663 96.1 1.281 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 109 48.40 3061 2704 59427 9832 96.9 1.241 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 112 49.37 3128 2824 63983 9983 97.7 1.201 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 114 50.34 3195 2947 68955 10115 98.3 1.163 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 116 51.30 3262 3072 74389 10227 98.9 1.127 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 118 52.27 3330 3201 80347 10317 99.3 1.091 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 120 53.24 3397 3331 86893 10385 99.7 1.056 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 109 48.40 3227 3005 73006 9696 99.9 1.143 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 109 48.40 2839 2327 47837 9382 89.3 1.367

Cartridge : 6.5 Creedmoor Hornady
Bullet : .264, 130, Berger VLD G7 #26503
Useable Case Capaci: 46.943 grain H2O = 3.048 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 27.0 inch = 685.8 mm
Powder : Accurate MAGPRO

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 88 40.40 2357 1604 28238 7414 81.5 1.724
-18.0 90 41.41 2423 1695 30312 7698 83.2 1.675
-16.0 92 42.42 2490 1790 32553 7977 84.8 1.627
-14.0 94 43.43 2558 1889 34987 8249 86.4 1.580
-12.0 97 44.44 2626 1991 37625 8512 87.9 1.534
-10.0 99 45.45 2695 2097 40490 8766 89.4 1.481
-08.0 101 46.46 2765 2206 43609 9009 90.8 1.431
-06.0 103 47.47 2835 2319 47008 9239 92.1 1.383
-04.0 105 48.48 2905 2436 50719 9455 93.3 1.336
-02.0 108 49.49 2976 2556 54781 9656 94.4 1.291 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 110 50.50 3047 2680 59237 9840 95.4 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 112 51.51 3119 2807 64133 10005 96.4 1.205 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 114 52.52 3190 2938 69532 10151 97.2 1.164 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 116 53.53 3263 3073 75501 10275 97.9 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 119 54.54 3335 3211 82119 10376 98.6 1.085 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 121 55.55 3408 3352 89496 10452 99.1 1.048 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 110 50.50 3229 3009 73755 9827 99.5 1.143 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 110 50.50 2810 2280 47061 9268 86.8 1.381

Cartridge : 6.5 Creedmoor Hornady
Bullet : .264, 130, Berger VLD G7 #26503
Useable Case Capaci: 46.943 grain H2O = 3.048 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 27.0 inch = 685.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-22

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 87 38.00 2370 1622 28419 7374 87.3 1.718
-18.0 89 38.95 2433 1709 30407 7629 88.8 1.671
-16.0 91 39.90 2496 1799 32546 7876 90.2 1.625
-14.0 93 40.85 2560 1891 34848 8115 91.5 1.581
-12.0 96 41.80 2623 1986 37327 8343 92.7 1.537
-10.0 98 42.75 2687 2084 40000 8561 93.9 1.488
-08.0 100 43.70 2751 2185 42885 8766 95.0 1.441
-06.0 102 44.65 2815 2288 46002 8958 95.9 1.395
-04.0 104 45.60 2880 2394 49375 9136 96.8 1.351
-02.0 106 46.55 2944 2502 53030 9298 97.6 1.309 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 109 47.50 3008 2612 56994 9443 98.2 1.268 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 111 48.45 3072 2724 61307 9571 98.8 1.229 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 113 49.40 3136 2839 66003 9680 99.3 1.190 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 115 50.35 3200 2956 71130 9768 99.6 1.153 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 117 51.30 3264 3075 76737 9836 99.8 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 119 52.25 3327 3196 82886 9883 100.0 1.083 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 109 47.50 3161 2884 70183 9181 100.0 1.169 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 109 47.50 2799 2261 45690 9131 91.5 1.397

 

[SJB358]

That 264 Creedmore (American name for it), has some legs with 130's. I am very impressed with those speeds you are generating Mike. Looks like that would be a slick 264 to have as well.

Good luck Randy! Looking forward to seeing your results and some pictures of the rifle when it is done. Scotty