Recovered AB's and PT's

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Here are a few bullets that were shot into water jugs yesterday while down at Woodycreek's range. Joel, Brian, Brian's buddy and myself spent from 1030L to 2015L on the range and had a blast. Anyhow, first up was the 264WM with the 140gr PT.

It went through 4 jugs and stopped in the 5th. Pretty impressive bullet and these jugs were set up at 20 yards from the muzzle.

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It retained 93.5gr's of weight. Very good performance and I think it was a fairly torturous test for any bullet.

Here is the 7mm 160gr AB. Same as the 264WM for penetration. Stopped in the 5th jug and retained 98gr's.

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Lastly, this is just a 35 Whelen bullet we found in the dirt beyond our target. It retained 177.5gr's of weight. Overall, this bullet seems to just hold up and perform through every single test I have done with it. Very high level of confidence in that PT.

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I know there was some talk on another topic/post about PT's and man, I just can't find fault with them, ever. People saying they don't expand or leave small exit holes must have not looked at the innards of the game. I can see why they would leave a smalled exit hole, as they have probably shed the frontal core, but oh man, they would have done some serious work by theat point. Same for the AB's, although in my tests, they seem to lose a little more weight, they are still a serious bullet capable of some excellent big game work. Scotty
 
Excellent pictures demonstrating the integrity of a couple of fine bullets.
 
Scotty,

Great results! Thanks for sharing your test data with us.

JD338
 
Anytime guys. If I can figure out how to post the video's Joel and I have, I think you will like them as well. That 264WM 140 is very impressive guys. I have 0 doubts of its ability now. The 160gr AB from the 7WSM was very good as well. Brian's 45-70 with the 300gr PT stole the show though. 8 jugs and glanced off the 9th...

Either way, again, Nosler leads the pack in my mind. Can't wait to finalize this 264WM. I have a feeling its on game performance will be dramatic. The first two jugs really went airborne! Scotty
 
I always like to see new data. As everyone knows my answer to most bullet issues is the Partition, these pictures reinforce what many of us have seen over a number of years. Great bullet, John Nosler did it right.
Scotty, Brian, Joel and company thanks for spend that exhaustive day testing these for us. :grin: :grin: :grin:
 
milboltnut":24kbl11e said:
I've seen better expansion on Speer Hot Cores. And the lower end didn't move. AND penetrated the distance. Jack O'Conner used them for years before he used the PT's.

So your question is why did he switch? Why do I wear a different tie to church on Sunday mornings?

Jack O'Connor (not O'Conner) was a buddy of Vernon Speer's. No, I don't care why he switched. Kinda wonder why Speer sells the Grand Slams when the Hot-Cor's do it all. I don't think the Nosler Partition needs any defending since it is the most proven and tested bullet for it's purpose in the world. I am sort of curious why anyone wants to come on a Nosler sponsored forum and bash the product though.....well actually, I'm not. There is a term for such activity and I'll look it up after I go load some more PT's. :grin:

Elkeater2
 
milboltnut":2jnz7z7n said:
I've seen better expansion on Speer Hot Cores. And the lower end didn't move. AND penetrated the distance. Jack O'Connor used them for years before he used the PT's.

So your question is why did he switch? Why do I wear a different tie to church on Sunday mornings?

Boolit, throw some pictures of the Speer Hot Cores up so we can compare them. Scotty
 
For years I did not recover any bullets, because I was shooting Big Boomers.
.30-30, .38-55, .444, .45-70, .45-90, .45-120, slow and DEEP Penetrating.
 
Great photos, Scotty!

Question on shooting water jugs - Is it easier to do it at 20 yds vs 100 yds? How far do you space them apart or do you just line them up back to back? Do you set them up on a sawhorse or something? All I have is a regular shooting range with a dirt berm to stop the bullets but no real way to get the jugs off of the ground.

I've never shot water jugs and have been wanting to do it for a while in order to have them for my bullet collection.
 
Scott Spencer":1armw9qd said:
Great photos, Scotty!

Question on shooting water jugs - Is it easier to do it at 20 yds vs 100 yds? How far do you space them apart or do you just line them up back to back? Do you set them up on a sawhorse or something? All I have is a regular shooting range with a dirt berm to stop the bullets but no real way to get the jugs off of the ground.

I've never shot water jugs and have been wanting to do it for a while in order to have them for my bullet collection.

We did 20 yards since its easier to line them up for the shot and recover them. Also a good test for how tough a bullet is up close. Used a table and lined them back to back. We also put some extra ones on both sides just in case one slipped out the side of a jug.
 
Gallon jugs set up for bullet testing, 20 yards:

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After impact:

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The jugs were the only way I could recover a 260 gr AccuBond - the bear sure didn't stop it!

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Guy,

That is classic performance. Your comment that the bear couldn't stop the bullet is classic. Great setup. It'll surely stimulate the creative juices for people.
 
Brian, post the pictures of the parts of the 300gr BST we shot into the jugs.

Man, it was a blast and what a ton of info I got from those simple water jugs.
 
Guy,
How many jugs did the 260 go through?

Scott,
Try the milk jug test if you ever get a chance to do so.
 
I did a high school science project on bullet penetration. I used two square five gallon buckets full of wet news paper. Worked pretty good and was easier to set up out at longer ranges.

I was using a 7 STW and 160 PT, and 160 X if I remember right. I had to load them down for the 50 yard test, both blew right threw a few feet of wet paper :shock:

By the way, Great looking bullets Scotty! I think you'll be a huge fan of the 160 AB out of that 7 WSM.
 
At 20 yards with the .375 H&H:

260 AccuBond mv of 2650 fps recovered in 7th jug, weighed 179 grains, expanded to .83"

270 Hornady mv of 2730 fps recovered in 5th jug, weighed only 76 grains, expanded to .87"

235 Speer mv of 2700 fps recovered in 5th jug, weighed 180.5 grains, expanded to .73"

The 260 was my choice for my bear hunt, based on accuracy as well as performance against the gallon jugs and the stories of a few other guys who had used the 260 Nosler on game. It sure worked out well for me, and I'll carry it for bear and elk again. The 235 gr Speer surprised me - and a buddy who used to hunt with them was very complimentary about their performance on mule deer and elk. I've got a small stash of them and will likely hunt with the 235's someday as well.

Regards, Guy
 
Dry newspaper bound together or stuffed in paper sacks is another good test material - and a lot easier to clean up than gobs of wet newspaper.

Dry magazines and catalogs with lots of photo/print paper is TOUGH and will really stress a bullet. Only 8" to 10" is required to stop most rifle bullets.
 
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