Red Dot

[jeremiahx4]

What's the gn weight for red dot black powder for 9mm Ruger 147 gn bullet weight


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[Guy Miner]

Interesting. I just went to the manufacturer's web site, Alliant, and they don't even show Red Dot listed as a recommended powder for the 147 gr bullet in the 9mm cartridge.

They do have others listed.

www.alliantpowder.com

Regards, Guy

 

[truck driver]

What's the gn weight for red dot black powder for 9mm Ruger 147 gn bullet weight


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That must be a miss print. Never heard of red dot black powder and I've used a lot of Red Dot powder in shot gun shells.

 

[Guy Miner]

Good point. I glossed over the "black" powder and just assumed he meant Red Dot powder. So I tried to look up the load.

No luck.

 

[jeremiahx4]

Reason is a shell hung in chamber it was stuck as if the shell expanded and when I extracted the shell the primer was missing


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[Guy Miner]

Reason is a shell hung in chamber it was stuck as if the shell expanded and when I extracted the shell the primer was missing


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Well, that reads like over-pressure.

But the powder maker (Alliant) doesn't even advise Red Dot for the 9mm & 147's in their online guide. So... I think I'm done with this.

Guy

 

[Dwh7271]

Well, that reads like over-pressure

Exactly.
I'll be a little more blunt.
You're loading an inappropriate powder in a cartridge and risking blowing up your gun (if you had the stuck shell and blown primer you already came close)
Don't continue to load and shoot that powder with that cartridge and bullet!!!

Find yourself a good reloading manual or two or three. Read the beginning of the manuals as most deal with safe reloading practices.
Then pick a powder rated by the manufacturer as appropriate for your chosen firearm and start at the LOW end of the recommended range. Before you change the low end load, read the beginning of the manual again. Do not vary ingredients or bullets.

Or...buy some factory loads.

 

[jeremiahx4]

Thanks


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[jeremiahx4]

I appreciate your advise and will do so. Any recommendations on the best reloading manuals to pick from?


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[mjcmichigan]

I've liked Nosler's and Hornadys. I have Lee and Lyman as well. I've learned something different from every one. I don't think you can read too much on reloading..provided you stick with reliable sources.

I do tend to load Nosler and Hornady the most with Sierra close behind. Sierra might be me next manual.

So here's a good point.

The Lee and Lyman manuals give you data for some bullets from some manufacturers. If I loaded a lot of Barnes, I'd get a Barnes Manual. For me, Nosler #1, Hornady #2, Sierra #3, and Barnes #4.


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[salmonchaser]

Good point, the only time I ever stuck a case was using a bullet from one manufacture and data from another. I was 14. I was grounded from reloading for a while.


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[jeremiahx4]

For now I'm loading 9mm ruger with horandy bullets and recommendations on powders


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[ksubuck]

You are loading 9mm Luger for your Ruger?

 

[Polaris]

It sounds like you are relatively new to reloading in general. Others have mentioned manuals, I have found the Lyman series, doesn't have to be the most recent, to be the best for a new reloader to read. The basics are well covered in an easy to understand, step by step format with thorough but not overly technical explainations of the operations and concepts behind them.

What you need to take into consideration with your 9mm loading is bullet weight vs powder burn rate. This is not exact science, but some generalizations can be made regarding appropriate or optimum choice for your application. If you look at published data for a given bullet weight, generally the powder charges falling in the median of charge weights will be a solid choice. For instance; Red Dot, 700x, Titegroup would be appropriate for the lighter bullet ranges, 115 grain and under. Some of these same powders will show up with 124 grain data, but you'll notice the charge weights are near the lowest of the powders listed. This means you are getting towards the "fast" end of suitability for those bullet weights and will have less margin of error in your loading, with the very real possibility of double charging a case due to the low volume of powder used (which will likely result in catastrophic failure of your firearm and possibly injury). I would not recommend a "fast" powder for loading handgun by an inexperienced reloader. HS-6, WSF, and unique would fall into the optimum range for 124 grain bullets. With 147 grain, HS-6, WSF, and AA7 are also appropriate, as well as several other similar burn speed powders.

 

[salmonchaser]

Double charging is a bad thing. I didn't witness the event, just the aftermath.
The Sig 226 largely contained the explosion saving the officers hand. The weapon was ruined.
The result was an addendum to my departments Manual of Standards prohibiting the use of reloaded ammunition in any department weapon, any department sanctioned training... Blah blah blah.
In any event I don't load a lot of pistol ammo but I choose powders that have relatively high volume. The logic being I would see a double charge on visual inspection.
The other precaution I take is; once the cases are prepped and ready for powder I turn them over in the block to add another level of concentration I guess. The charged case goes into a separate block.


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[truck driver]

I like how everyone has taken a bad situation and turned it into a positive for others to learn from.
I do load volume hand gun ammo but it is done on Dillon equipment. Though there is a chance for a double charge it has to be done manually by reversing the index of the shell plate. I frequently pull a charged piece of brass and weigh the charge to double check my settings.

 

[jeremiahx4]

Thanks for the advise, I'm new at this and welcome any advise you can provide for my safety


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[truck driver]

I must say you started off on the wrong foot with your first post in this topic but if your legitimate we are more than willing to help.

 

[MAinAR]

Hogdon has good data for the 147 weight bullet of various bullet types (and other weight bullets as well) Personally I prefer the 124 grain class of bullets in the 9mm Luger.

9mm Luger, 9mm Parabellum, 9x19mm and 9mm NATO are all the exact same cartridge, just depends on who you are talking to as to what they call this cartridge.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

 

[Polaris]

To answer the second question, I would (and do) use Hodgedon HS-6 for all loads in 9mm. I am loading 115 cast, 124 cast and jacketed, and 147 grain cast bullets. I've found it to be readily available, suitable for near top performance across these bullet weights, and due to the volume it's charges take up in the case, a double charge is impossible. It also meters very consistently through a measure. I've found it consistent and clean.

A few precautions directed towards a novice reloader: Use a scale to weigh all charges until you develop rock-solid consistency with measure "thrown" charges. Under no circumstances trust charge tables for the Lee scoops or any powder measure.

Start simple, following an exact book recipe. Example, from the Lyman 49th edition: Hornady 115 JHP, 5.7 gr HS-6 (starting load, may not cycle semi auto), CCI 500 primer, Seat to combined total length 1.090". Once you've gained some experience and consider your first efforts a success through range testing, you can begin branching out into other components.

Generally a different bullet style or manufacturer can be substituted in the same weight, but you'll need to back off the maximum charge and work your way up to it with a clear understanding of pressure signs.