Soon to pick up a 300 Kong..now it's time for a scope..

badaxeriverman said:
The average deer I’ve shot since have all nornally been within bow range. Maybe it’s just me, but I like to feel like I’ve outsmarted them instead of shooting a country mile at something in a different ZIP code. I don’t consider long range sniping as “hunting”, but to each their own.
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I use to think like you.....

Then common sense got the better of me. Actually my biggest pet peeve is hypocrisy and I'm not holding up the mirror.

I thought....and will say to you the same thing I said to myself...
Ever use a tree stand for archery?
A Blind? Ever use anything whatsoever giving you an advantage? The fact you've mentioned a RUM in this post I'll take that as a yes.

My point is I'm definitely not engaging in some p'ing contest on who is actually "hunting" based on some self serving method of nobility.
Because in reality unless you're out in buckskin clothing and using a bow you carved from a branch and semi sharp stone arrow heads...
You're using things, clothing, equipment, etc that gives you an advantage.

I've hunted every which way you can think of.
I can take a rifle in the woods and get a deer 100 yards on in pretty much any time I'm out. That's too easy for me. I've always had a knack for getting close.

At present I enjoy the challenge of a long shot and I will get one with a pistol. Something I've yet to do is harvest one wuth a pistol. I haven't tried but a few times and it just didn't work out the few days I've carried the revolver. Not close enough for my comfort level with a revolver and open sights. Someday though it will happen.
 
Yup I’m guilty as charged. I’ve shot an animal that far… just didn’t do it for me. Sorry just one man with one opinion. I’d rather shoot them within spitting distance. Just way more exciting to me. But the comment of it being more logical and common sense to shoot something at a mile when things can go wrong and gimping a deer is completely opposite of what most people think. More power to you, post your thousand yard picture of your deer when you get it done. I’ll be curious for you to tell me if you thoughts if it was challenging or exciting once it’s done and on the ground or if you’ve changed your mind, keep us posted. Hopefully the wind doesn’t blow your bullet off and you hit your hit your mark the first time and won’t be in a wild goose chase looking for a gimped animal. My longshot, I was out in Wyoming and could see nothing for two counties. I was able to call my shot when I missed the first time so I could figure out my drop and hit right behind the shoulder the second time. It didn’t have a chance and it wasn’t going anywhere because as long as I could see it through my optic, I could just keep shooting, which only took me two shots obviously. I got lucky, right behind the shoulder, center mass. Have it mounted on my wall today. If I could do it over I would’ve belly crawled up to it and felt like I outsmarted the animal. Biggest issue I had back then is rangefinders just came to market and they didn’t read past 350 to 400 yards so it was all a guessing game. I do get a kick out of watching the guys on YouTube, even professional competition shooters, that can’t consistently hit their mark at 600 yards every time. So I would assume there’s probably a lot of wounded animals running around that people have taken country mile shots at thinking they missed. Just like my idiot neighbors that try to take head shots on animals and think they missed. Every 4 to 5 years I normally have a deer that I have to put out of its misery that was hit high in the neck or part of its jaw blown off that ends up comes running past me on opening day. Some people just don’t use common sense or ethics unfortunately. I’m guilty as charged. Been there, did it, done it myself. But once I got it out of my system, I realized it was a lot more ethical to take archery placement close range shots. Doesn’t make much difference anymore because I’m the only one hunting on my personally owned, private property. After shooting that Pronghorn. I came back and shot a running deer underneath my tree stand with that gun directly underneath me at about 20 feet. Couldn’t even even see my deer in the scope. It was nothing but hair.Lol. Nice 10 pointer on the full run. I peeled that scope off and put a 2.5 x 10 on it after that. I’ve shot three black bear at 25 yards and closer sounds so it doesn’t get a work out anymore. Pretty worthless rifle to me now since it’s been reduced to a close range thumper but I won’t get rid of it.
 
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badaxeriverman said:
Yup I’m guilty as charged. I’ve shot an animal that far… just didn’t do it for me. Sorry just one man with one opinion. I’d rather shoot them within spitting distance. Just way more exciting to me. But the comment of it being more logical and common sense to shoot something at a mile when things can go wrong and gimping a deer is completely opposite of what most people think. More power to you, post your thousand yard picture of your deer when you get it done. I’ll be curious for you to tell me if you thoughts if it was challenging or exciting once it’s done and on the ground or if you’ve changed your mind, keep us posted. Hopefully the wind doesn’t blow your bullet off and you hit your hit your mark the first time and won’t be in a wild goose chase looking for a gimped animal. My longshot, I was out in Wyoming and could see nothing for two counties. I was able to call my shot when I missed the first time so I could figure out my drop and hit right behind the shoulder the second time. It didn’t have a chance and it wasn’t going anywhere because as long as I could see it through my optic, I could just keep shooting, which only took me two shots obviously. I got lucky, right behind the shoulder, center mass. Have it mounted on my wall today. If I could do it over I would’ve belly crawled up to it and felt like I outsmarted the animal. Biggest issue I had back then is rangefinders just came to market and they didn’t read past 350 to 400 yards so it was all a guessing game. I do get a kick out of watching the guys on YouTube, even professional competition shooters, that can’t consistently hit their mark at 600 yards every time. So I would assume there’s probably a lot of wounded animals running around that people have taken country mile shots at thinking they missed. Just like my idiot neighbors that try to take head shots on animals and think they missed. Every 4 to 5 years I normally have a deer that I have to put out of its misery that was hit high in the neck or part of its jaw blown off that ends up comes running past me on opening day. Some people just don’t use common sense or ethics unfortunately. I’m guilty as charged. Been there, did it, done it myself. But once I got it out of my system, I realized it was a lot more ethical to take archery placement close range shots. Doesn’t make much difference anymore because I’m the only one hunting on my personally owned, private property. After shooting that Pronghorn. I came back and shot a running deer underneath my tree stand with that gun directly underneath me at about 20 feet. Couldn’t even even see my deer in the scope. It was nothing but hair.Lol. Nice 10 pointer on the full run. I peeled that scope off and put a 2.5 x 10 on it after that. I’ve shot three black bear at 25 yards and closer sounds so it doesn’t get a work out anymore. Pretty worthless rifle to me now since it’s been reduced to a close range thumper but I won’t get rid of it.
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So you offer up...
Essentially a statement suggesting to each their own...which you said in a previous post...and then this statement....

"Sorry just one man with one opinion."

I can appreciate that but then go on a day long lecture.....

Stating things like an animal from a great distance out has no idea where the shot is coming from but then tout shooting them from a tree stand...
That's just rich!!

Then go on a rant about people making bad shots at far distances wounding the animal all while repeatedly making a bow hunting distance reference which bow hunting might be the king of animal wounding bad shots.

For someone that has no idea how I hunt, when I will and won't take a shot, (i did touch on it about a revolver)
How efficient and accurate I am, etc etc...

You sure do have a lot of assumptions and your noble hypocrisy is rich alright. Hilariously rich.
 
TexasLife said:
........ that extra 40 grains of powder between the 300wm and the 30-378 only gives 40-60 fps difference w/ 180's. ..
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Highly doubt hat brother!!!!!


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RL338 said:
I’m guessing somewhere in each scope there are Asian parts whether it’s fasteners down to the paint.
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You might be more right than you think. Unless there has been a change since I read the article, many top line scopes either use Japanese optical glass for their scopes or buy the sand used to make the glass for their scopes. It seems that there is something about that sand that makes glass made from it superior to all others. That includes the top German scopes as well.
Paul B.
 
As far as the scope goes...... power, weight, length, they all play a role. For instance I would not mount an NF ATACR 5-25x56 on a rifle built for elk hunting. Long range sniping? then yes.

Give us some insight on it's projected use.
 
FOTIS said:
Highly doubt hat brother!!!!!


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That's exactly an example that sparked my interest.

How many firings are you getting from a case?
I've read case life is short to brief...

None of it really matters and won't diminish my excitement simply curious on that.
Just more wondering how much brass I should accumulate and keep on the ready.
 
PJGunner said:
You might be more right than you think. Unless there has been a change since I read the article, many top line scopes either use Japanese optical glass for their scopes or buy the sand used to make the glass for their scopes. It seems that there is something about that sand that makes glass made from it superior to all others. That includes the top German scopes as well.
Paul B.
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RL338 said:
I’m guessing somewhere in each scope there are Asian parts whether it’s fasteners down to the paint.
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I posted that earlier and was employed deep in the industry for quite some time ...
It was common knowledge then and still holds true today a top mfg of scopes/binoculars are getting the actual glass in Japan.
I know Leupold still does for sure and I'd imagine NF, and others do as well.
(I can only confirm Leupold though)

And....
I'm ok with the glass coming from Japan.

That said I won't buy a scope made in Asia.

I'm looking at Steiner, Leupold(have many) NF, or simply another Swarovski.

P.s.
There used to be a company over there ...perhaps Asia optik?...,,,
(it's been a couple decades since I was employed in that industry...)

They made all the cheaper scopes. Tasco, swift, Simmons, bushnell, Bausch and lomb elite series which later became bushnell elite...and others....

I don't know what/who they mfg present day and have no interest in any of them...
Just passing along to some who may not know
 
300WSM said:
I posted that earlier and was employed deep in the industry for quite some time ...
It was common knowledge then and still holds true today a top mfg of scopes/binoculars are getting the actual glass in Japan.
I know Leupold still does for sure and I'd imagine NF, and others do as well.
(I can only confirm Leupold though)

And....
I'm ok with the glass coming from Japan.

That said I won't buy a scope made in Asia.

I'm looking at Steiner, Leupold(have many) NF, or simply another Swarovski.

P.s.
There used to be a company over there ...perhaps Asia optik?...,,,
(it's been a couple decades since I was employed in that industry...)

They made all the cheaper scopes. Tasco, swift, Simmons, bushnell, Bausch and lomb elite series which later became bushnell elite...and others....

I don't know what/who they mfg present day and have no interest in any of them...
Just passing along to some who may not know
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If you are dialing turrets then:

SWFA, TRACT, ZEISS, NIGHTFORCE, Trijicon, Maven, Vortex (Razor line), Bushnell (LTHS style) . These I have used and they track well and return to Zero.
 
FOTIS said:
If you are dialing turrets then:

SWFA, TRACT, ZEISS, NIGHTFORCE, Trijicon, Maven, Vortex (Razor line), Bushnell (LTHS style) . These I have used and they track well and return to Zero.
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I'm not opposed nor set on it at this point.

That NF you showed me earlier I'm presently researching

And...

Can anyone confirm the COO of Zeiss scopes present day?
 
Zeiss Duralyt and Conquest DL were both made in Europe, however, this is not the case with the Conquest V4. Zeiss Conquest V4 rifle scopes are made in Japan.
 
Yes it is. I do bump the shoulder a little more than I should. Like clockwork 6 firings on the Wby brass and it starts show its little brass ring above the belt. Hornady primer pockets give up , in fact they seemed a little loose when fresh out of the box. Nosler showing no signs of letting me down yet. I do have some Bell Laboratory brass I haven’t tried yet.
 
RL338 said:
Yes it is. I do bump the shoulder a little more than I should. Like clockwork 6 firings on the Wby brass and it starts show its little brass ring above the belt. Hornady primer pockets give up , in fact they seemed a little loose when fresh out of the box. Nosler showing no signs of letting me down yet. I do have some Bell Laboratory brass I haven’t tried yet.
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Winchester primers might help your Hornady brass...*might*

Back in the day Winchester primers were a tad more snug in bigger primer pockets.

I can't attest to that being automatic today. Perhaps they've changed. 🤷

I only use Winchester present day in 209 for shotshells.
 
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