success!

[JDMAG]

Well after jerking the 77-22 the first 3 times I handed it to him without a round in it, My son finally settled down and realized he was jerking the trigger,turning his head, closeing his eyes, and missing the target for some reaso. After about 15 rounds he actually started puting it inside the circle! after another 5, he was consistantly hitting the bullseye. then it was off to soda bottles,a beer can and the he even picked a cherry tomatoe off the top of a beer can.I hope I've created a monster! I hope we can move this on up to his .243 within a couple of weeks. Thanks for your input on cureing his flinch. He was recently drawn for a youth turkey hunt to benefit St. Judes Childrens hospital in Memphis. The hunt is in Savannah TN next March. Youth deer season is in about 2 weeks.
Thanks again
JDMAG :grin:

 

[JD338]

Great news JDMAG!

Make sure when he starts shooting the 243, he starts and finishes his range session with the 22.
Your son is doing great!

JD338

 

[FOTIS]

Good for you (and him) buddy! 8)

 

[Guest]

If you handload, you can use H4895 at significantly reduced charges and make that little 243 seem like it's not much more than a 22. Check here for information:

http://hodgdon.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf

This PDF shows some hunting loads that are relatively low recoil, using bullets specifically designed for single shot pistols (and thus, lower velocities), but also discusses some information regarding lowering charges even more for plinking or cast bullet loads. It might be a good way to introduce your son to centerfire, if you roll your own.

 

[JDMAG]

so if I read this right he can use this load to kill a deer out to about 200 yards?

 

[SakoSteve270wsm]

Awesome JDMAG,and good luck to your son on his hunt!

 

[DrMike]

It is great to see the way you have taken time to teach your son the joy of riflery. I sure hope that he will do well in the turkey shoot, and he is certainly getting some fine training to help in that category. I also hope that he will be able to take advantage of the youth deer hunt. Good luck to him and thanks for being a great example to other dads in this instance.

 

[Guest]

so if I read this right he can use this load to kill a deer out to about 200 yards?

I don't think I'd let my son shoot a 243 with that load at 200yds. It is only carrying about 800lbs of energy at that distance, which would be alright if there were a little more mass to the bullet. Hornady says these loads are good to 200, and probably some of them are, but clearly some aren't, as they list some pretty anemic 30-30Win loads, and the best 30-30Win loads are only good to about 200yds. I took it as them saying that some of the loads are good out that far. Obviously, you could load a 90 or 100gr bullet over H4895 and have plenty of velocity flexibility for his training use.

Now, I see that you're from Tennessee. Whereabouts? I'm in Huntsville, AL, for now, and if you're close we ought to get together and shoot.

 

[JDMAG]

I'm in martin which is in west TN next to the Mississippi. Just south of the KY border. Pretty good distance from Huntsville but if yer ever in the area, OR I'm down there, I'm game!
JD

 

[JDMAG]

The only thing I have is H4831sc, RL19,RL22,Varget and some H110.
Would any of these work for a reduced load in a .243 ? :?:

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

+1 Wam....
just remember, for kids, there is no such thing as too big a recoil pad.

 

[YoteSmoker]

If you decide to go reduced load in 243, be very careful. Most reloading manuals warn of high risk of detonation in this caliber.

Consider using the 85 Barnes TSX or 85 Nosler Partition with a normal charge. Due to the lesser bullet weight it will have very tollerable recoil and get the job done. 42.5 grains IMR4350 is where its at in my gun with all the 85-87 grain bullets I have tried and should give you close to 3200 fps muzzle velocity. Reloader 19 might work well if you don't have 4350 on hand.

 

[Guest]

Hodgdon notes that H4895 is the best choice due to it's consistency of ignition at reduced charges. Many other powders are prone to 'hang-fires' with reduced charges, which can create dangerous (action splitting) pressure spikes.

 

[JDMAG]

Thanks for the help. I had him start off with the 22 at about 30 yards and he was doing good. Then HE wanted to try the 243. I handed it to him without a round, and he did flinch but not as much. This was with remington factory loads. when he did get a round in the chamber, I didn't tell hem to take the safty off. And he saw how he was still closeing his eyes. I told him to think of it as though it was the 22. He then preceded to blow a milk jug of water to smithereens at about 70 yards. After that, he had more confidence. We went back to the 22, and he did great. all shots were in the kill zone. one last round with the 243 and there were no more milk jugs. Then back to the 22. Then he was done for the day. It was his idea to practice rifle instead of going bow hunting this evening. After we got done shooting, His 6 year sister HAD to shoot some too. So I got out the old Henry and let her plink a few rounds. Had to cut her short so she wants todo it some more. Thanks for the help.
JD

 

[FOTIS]

The only thing I have is H4831sc, RL19,RL22,Varget and some H110.
Would any of these work for a reduced load in a .243 ? :?:

NO! never ever shoot powders slower than imr 4064 for reduced loads!!!!!! the h110 will work. Very slow for pistol but fast rifle powder


Cartridge : .243 Win.
Bullet : .243, 90, Nosler BalTip 24090
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.710 inch or 68.83 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H110

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 41 20.00 2249 1011 26326 5509 100.0 1.624
-18.0 42 20.50 2286 1044 27592 5610 100.0 1.593
-16.0 43 21.00 2322 1077 28896 5710 100.0 1.563
-14.0 44 21.50 2357 1110 30237 5809 100.0 1.535
-12.0 45 22.00 2392 1143 31618 5907 100.0 1.508
-10.0 46 22.50 2426 1176 33038 6005 100.0 1.481
-08.0 47 23.00 2460 1209 34498 6102 100.0 1.456
-06.0 48 23.50 2493 1242 35999 6198 100.0 1.432
-04.0 49 24.00 2526 1275 37542 6293 100.0 1.407
-02.0 50 24.50 2558 1308 39127 6388 100.0 1.378
+00.0 51 25.00 2590 1341 40756 6482 100.0 1.352
+02.0 52 25.50 2622 1373 42429 6575 100.0 1.327
+04.0 53 26.00 2653 1406 44147 6667 100.0 1.302
+06.0 54 26.50 2684 1439 45912 6759 100.0 1.279
+08.0 55 27.00 2714 1472 47724 6849 100.0 1.256
+10.0 56 27.50 2744 1505 49584 6939 100.0 1.234

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 51 25.00 2631 1383 45426 6384 100.0 1.286
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 51 25.00 2532 1281 35754 6620 100.0 1.435

 

[JDMAG]

Thanks Pop!