The Rut kicked off in Scotland!

One moment of inattention can certainly have serious and lasting consequences. I'm glad to hear that your friend Roger will recover. I do hope you are able to spend a couple of days hunting and that you are successful in taking a stag or two.
 
Thanks for that DrMike. I'm sure he'll be fine when the pain from bruising eases 7 I know he'll be a lot more vigilant next time. If they've left anything for me to hunt it'll be great.....first, I have to get my scope & munting rail back from Winkie!...or just borrow a rifle.
 
Tom -
It is time to buy a backup rifle! :lol: I can't think of a better excuse to purchase a second one.

All the best to you as you get out to do some stalking next week.
Joel
 
I'm thinking a Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5x54Msch or 7mm-08/7x57 Scotty. Superb engineering, a classic rifle with provenance and history while also excellent for short range woodland stalking.
e.g. below

http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Mannlicher-Schoenauer-guns-for-sale-2213.aspx
 
Wow! Either of those are BEAUTIFUL! It would hard to choose between them but I would love to see your load work with either. Those are just awesome rifles. Hope you score buddy. Those have me drooling! Very classy rifles.

What are you leaning towards?
 
Those are certainly classic (and classy) rifles, Tom. Either would do a man proud to carry them. I must say that I could be quite smitten with the .275.
 
I had a stutzen 1903 many years ago in 6.5x54Msch and it was a beutiful little rifle. But then I sold it to buy a Gibson Les Paul guitar back in 1990. At the time my cabinet also held both a .243W and a .270W Steyr Mannlichers, so I felt inclined to sell the 1903. It was a mistake.
Anyway, I can revisit now & I've been thinking of this a while, so as & when I get one (They are difficult to find) I'll post.
Cheers guys.
 
The Steyrs assuredly have actions that are precise and slick. All that I've shot deliver the goods quite nicely, that's for sure.
 
That they are DrMike. A 'pretty' & lightweight rifle with rather precise engineering.

Got to say though, I'm not so keen on the newer sporting stuff I've seen coming out of their factory. I bought a 'Classic' .25-06Rem before my Blaser and was decidedly unimpressed when I used it, although it was accurate enough. It just felt rather clunky and not like my .243Win. I only had it 18 months, then my Blaser arrived & that was that!

A while ago I started getting the itch to buy an old Schoenauer and refurb it, but getting them isn't so easy these days. I have a feeling that as they're out of fashion, dealers with stock on their shelves aren't advertising them so much. I'll be looking out though and when I find the right one, I'll have a deal. :wink:
 
I had a Model 1952, Mannlicher Schoenauer full stocked carbine in .270 Win. The caliber was the only thing that I did not favor. I much rather would have had a European caliber which was better matched to the 20 inch barrel. A 6.5x54, 7x57 or any short to medium round would have been better. I am still sorry that I sold that rifle though.
 
That's great Woodycreek..enjoy. My personal favourites are the Islay single malts. Laphroaig, Lagavulin & Ardbeg in particular. I enjoy the strong peat flavour aroma and the chinkle of ice in a crystal glass. Roger is on the mend with only pride damaged.
That 1952 would be a nice rifle OT3 but I can imagine a lightweight thunderstick like that with a .270 would leap around some! The 6.5x54Msch and 7x57 are a sweet round, but do run out of steam so are really only good for woodland short range work, up to 150yds. But that's OK, .... as long as another rifle is available for the longer range stuff out on open hillsides.
The short barrels make them real easy to carry through woodland undergrowth.
 
Elmer, having enough rifles was unfortunately, never my problem. We are not as constrained as you guys are in Jolly Old. My sister lives in England and is always complaining about the regulations and restrictions. She is a bird, rough and fox hunter.

I was also a Pre 64 Winchester collector at one time. Now in retirement, I only have (11) long guns and (8) revolvers and pistols. A handicap to be sure, compared to some of the guys on here.
 
ElmerThud":33fwaazd said:
That's great Woodycreek..enjoy. My personal favourites are the Islay single malts. Laphroaig, Lagavulin & Ardbeg in particular. I enjoy the strong peat flavour aroma and the chinkle of ice in a crystal glass. Roger is on the mend with only pride damaged.
That 1952 would be a nice rifle OT3 but I can imagine a lightweight thunderstick like that with a .270 would leap around some! The 6.5x54Msch and 7x57 are a sweet round, but do run out of steam so are really only good for woodland short range work, up to 150yds. But that's OK, .... as long as another rifle is available for the longer range stuff out on open hillsides.
The short barrels make them real easy to carry through woodland undergrowth.
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ET, don't sell that 7x57 short buddy. Loaded up to modern standards, it is pretty gutsy. I have been working with my son's Model 70 7mm Mauser, and when loaded with a dose of RL19 it does 2800 with the 140 BT. I think with some finagling, it would be an easy 2750 or better with a 160 PT or AB. That would carry some great energy.

Cartridge : 7 x 57 mm Mauser (SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 140, Nosler AccuBond 59992
Useable Case Capaci: 52.245 grain H2O = 3.392 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.071 inch = 78.00 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-19

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 100 48.08 2642 2169 44168 10185 91.1 1.215
-09.0 101 48.61 2673 2222 45719 10324 91.7 1.196
-08.0 102 49.15 2705 2275 47328 10460 92.3 1.177
-07.0 103 49.68 2737 2329 49002 10592 92.9 1.158
-06.0 104 50.21 2769 2384 50739 10722 93.4 1.140
-05.0 105 50.75 2801 2440 52545 10848 94.0 1.121
-04.0 106 51.28 2834 2496 54424 10970 94.5 1.104
-03.0 108 51.82 2866 2553 56377 11089 95.0 1.086 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 109 52.35 2898 2611 58405 11204 95.4 1.069 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 110 52.89 2930 2669 60525 11315 95.9 1.052 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 111 53.42 2963 2729 62728 11422 96.3 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 112 53.95 2995 2789 65024 11524 96.7 1.019 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 113 54.49 3028 2850 67415 11622 97.1 1.002 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 114 55.02 3060 2911 69911 11715 97.5 0.987 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 115 55.56 3093 2974 72516 11803 97.8 0.971 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 116 56.09 3125 3037 75233 11886 98.1 0.956 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 111 53.42 3117 3021 75675 11420 99.7 0.958 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 111 53.42 2763 2372 51194 10841 88.9 1.134

I have tons more where that came from. That little 7mm is very impressive when pushed to the 60K range. Plus, his seems to be really easy on the shoulder..
 
ElmerThud":1epne16s said:
I'm thinking a Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5x54Msch or 7mm-08/7x57 Scotty. Superb engineering, a classic rifle with provenance and history while also excellent for short range woodland stalking.
e.g. below

http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Mannlicher-Schoenauer-guns-for-sale-2213.aspx
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Don't know what you have access to over there, but a mauser 93 or 96 in 6.5X55 Swedish or 6.5X54ms would also fill that bill nicely. Much easier to glass than the split bridge MS.

Not an old classic, but look into a Sako or Tikka 6.5X55 also. Very fine rifles.
 
Tom,

I recently completed load work on a 7mm-08 Steyr. The rifle was as smooth as I remembered those of another era. I wouldn't have minded owning that one.
 
With my 1952 Mannlicher Schoenauer, I was never enamored with the split bridge scope mount either. I never had any issues with the mount or zero shift and I owned the rifle for several years, but it looked unsubstantial to my engineer eyes.
 
Hi guys, might have gone 'off topic' here now, but I never did underestimate the 7x57 Scotty, but I never owned one either. Just never really considered it to be a flat shooting round...not that it matters much as it like any other round, it just has to be zeroed right. A good friend is currently shooting 7mm 08 and enjoying success with that.
'I have tons more where that came from. That little 7mm is very impressive when pushed to the 60K range. Plus, his seems to be really easy on the shoulder..'
I like the sound of that too Scotty.

The flat shooting stuff is really so I can keep my eye on the quarry reaction with a lighter recoil. A .270W although flat shooting just whips up too much, so I opted for the .257 cal. But in truth, .260Rem and 6.5x47L both fit the bill. The 6.5L wasn't available when I bought my rifle nine years ago and I certainly like how that shoots!

However, for this older rifle project I don't have any significant preference and depending on what price & condition the Msch is in I'd like it to be not greater than 7mm. I don't have a need for a 'pig' or 'dangerous game' rifle, so would shy away from the bigger cals.

I never had a problem with my previous 1903 & the mounting of a scope, so don't see an issue there. I agree Polaris, all good rifles, but not a Msch.
We shall see how I get on now that I'm looking and serious. Cheers lads.
 
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