Things that make you say Hmmmm

[nvbroncrider]

Well, I have a 145gr bullet now moving 2954fps shooting well under a half inch including called flyers, that gives me a 245yd zero being 2.6" high at 100yds and -5" at 310yds. Don't need a 280 AI, although I think I would really like the 280 AI in a Nosler Custom (perish the thought :shock: :shock: don't need to enable myself :mrgreen: ) :grin:

Maybe a 140 or 150 etip and that's all the more you will need.

 

[bullet]

Well, I have a 145gr bullet now moving 2954fps shooting well under a half inch including called flyers, that gives me a 245yd zero being 2.6" high at 100yds and -5" at 310yds. Don't need a 280 AI, although I think I would really like the 280 AI in a Nosler Custom (perish the thought :shock: :shock: don't need to enable myself :mrgreen: ) :grin:

Maybe a 140 or 150 etip and that's all the more you will need.

Etips will not shoot to standard velocities for the given cartridge except in a few exceptions. Therefore nullifying their BC advantage and also become unsuitable for long range shots due to lower velocities and the etip will not perform well at the low end like an AccuBond, Patition or BT or other bonded and cup core bullets, negating me taking a long shot with them. Now I have tried the etip in two 30-06 rifles a Hawkeye and MarkV (24" on MarkV) and they were very difficult to get accuracy much less any thing approaching accuracy and acceptable velocities at the same time. I have also tried them in a 300Wby and 300Win mag have the same issues as above. The same issue with a 7mmSTW. Also trying it in my brothers 7mm mag for him and his 270. I do not like them because they reach max pressures to fast and end up nullifying any or most advantages they have. Also, when getting accuracy with a load although velocities were really to low for caliber, they would not consistently do consecutive groups with consistency. There are exceptions but very Few indeed. Also, I tried different weight Etips in these calibers except the 270 which there is only the 130gr Etip. Through experience I find your thought of maybe using the Etip not a real viable thing for me and my rifles. The etip is not an all around bullet and has some real limits.

 

[nvbroncrider]

Well, I have a 145gr bullet now moving 2954fps shooting well under a half inch including called flyers, that gives me a 245yd zero being 2.6" high at 100yds and -5" at 310yds. Don't need a 280 AI, although I think I would really like the 280 AI in a Nosler Custom (perish the thought :shock: :shock: don't need to enable myself :mrgreen: ) :grin:

Maybe a 140 or 150 etip and that's all the more you will need.

Etips will not shoot to standard velocities for the given cartridge except in a few exceptions. Therefore nullifying their BC advantage and also become unsuitable for long range shots due to lower velocities and the etip will not perform well at the low end like an AccuBond, Patition or BT or other bonded and cup core bullets, negating me taking a long shot with them. Now I have tried the etip in two 30-06 rifles a Hawkeye and MarkV (24" on MarkV) and they were very difficult to get accuracy much less any thing approaching accuracy and acceptable velocities at the same time. I have also tried them in a 300Wby and 300Win mag have the same issues as above. The same issue with a 7mmSTW. Also trying it in my brothers 7mm mag for him and his 270. I do not like them because they reach max pressures to fast and end up nullifying any or most advantages they have. Also, when getting accuracy with a load although velocities were really to low for caliber, they would not consistently do consecutive groups with consistency. There are exceptions but very Few indeed. Also, I tried different weight Etips in these calibers except the 270 which there is only the 130gr Etip. Through experience I find your thought of maybe using the Etip not a real viable thing for me and my rifles. The etip is not an all around bullet and has some real limits.

I'm just giving you a challenge to make little holes. Obviously the 140 AB and 145 speer were too easy!

 

[bullet]

I'm just giving you a challenge to make little holes. Obviously the 140 AB and 145 speer were too easy!

Well, I did make it look easy, because I left out all the detail of work at the loading bench and at the range. Also printed small holes with the 120gr BT, 150gr BT and 160gr Speer. Give me a little time, and I will do it with more, I am addicted to making little holes with my rifles, it really is a challenge and is so much fun when I am able to accomplish it and even more fun when I use my loads hunting and take game. :mrgreen:

 

[nvbroncrider]

Kinda like my 280 with 140 BT .276 inch groups with my first grouping. It's kinda like cheating when guys spend 6 months to get rifles to shoot .5 MOA.

 

[bullet]

It is isn't it :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[Guest]

I'll have to disagree on the subject of E-Tips and velocity. I've tried E-Tips in only a few rifles so far - 270Wby, 300Wby, & 7mmRemMag - and in each I've been able to achieve proper velocities for a given bullet weight. I've struggled to achieve peak accuracy with them, but I've also struggled to do so with Nosler Accubonds, Hornady Interbonds, and Barnes TTSXs in these same guns. I'm able to get excellent velocity and accuracy in my 270Wby. In fact, velocity has been right in line with lead core stuff, albeit at lower charge weights. It's all about how you load them, and how patient you are with finding the sweet spot for accuracy. But that's no different in terms of finding the sweet spot, as I've run through a couple of boxes of Accubonds and not found the sweet spot in two different rifles.

If you want to load E-Tips, load them over the slowest powders appropriate, and seat them .050-.100" deeper than lead core bullets. You'll not find them to be any slower or less accurate, I suspect. I haven't.

 

[bullet]

Ok dubyam, I guess I could start all over not having a lot of load experience with them compared to other bullets I have used through the years, but I did have a few exceptions, so I had a few redeeming moments I guess?? I would like to see your chrony results and group results, if you could duplicate them and give me some pictures that would be cool. Now what puzzles me is the fact that I get great velocities with all the bullets you mentioned plus some others and also very excellent accuracy but with the Etips I don't get the velocities I want and on a few occasions I did get hunting accuracy with the Etip. I am glad you have had such stellar results, wish I did but I didn't and I was planning on giving them one more try in my M48 that has shot everything I have tried in it with great accuracy and I am getting very good velocities. We will see, but I don't expect things to be different, but in fact wish they would turn out different, because if I can get the etip to shoot accurate and have 7mm-08 velocities, I would really have something good.

 

[SJB358]

I will be giving the 168gr ET's a try in the 300WSM shortly. I ran them all .100 off the lands to start and loaded according to Nosler's guidance. Hope they turn out, cause they are an excellent bullet for the 300. If I could get into the 3100 range, I would call it good and hunt! Scotty

 

[bullet]

I will be giving the 168gr ET's a try in the 300WSM shortly. I ran them all .100 off the lands to start and loaded according to Nosler's guidance. Hope they turn out, cause they are an excellent bullet for the 300. If I could get into the 3100 range, I would call it good and hunt! Scotty

Absolutely, if you can get accuracy and 3100fps, you are right about that being a good deal. Man, let us know how it shoots and chronys, I will be looking forward to your posts. :mrgreen:

 

[RTK]

I will be giving the 168gr ET's a try in the 300WSM shortly. I ran them all .100 off the lands to start and loaded according to Nosler's guidance. Hope they turn out, cause they are an excellent bullet for the 300. If I could get into the 3100 range, I would call it good and hunt! Scotty

Any results from your load??

 

[SJB358]

RTK, I ran them through my rifle, and they were a little slow. I never really went back to try them again as I found a load running 3030 with the 180 AB's, so I kinda stopped there. The ET's are good bullets, but they do require a bit more tuning than the others it seems. Some folks gave me some great ideas for the 168's, but I kinda ran out of time.

 

[Oldtrader3]

I guess that I am boring and old fashioned. I shoot almost entirely Partitions for serious work with seven different rifles and have for nearly 50 years. I generally tune loads and play with loading proportions and bullet wiehgts until I get sub-MOA groups out to 300 yards or so and velocities which are in the high acceptable range for that caliber without pressure issues and I stop there. Why continue on when I have met my criteria for performance.

I may use the same laoding various calibers for 30 to 50+ years as long as the components are still the same and the load continues to produce small groups, decent velocities and bullet performance. However, I tend to use each rifle for one load and one load only for a target species. If I want a bigger hammer, I et a bigger caliber to use for larger game.

 

[bullet]

I guess that I am boring and old fashioned. I shoot almost entirely Partitions for serious work with seven different rifles and have for nearly 50 years. I generally tune loads and play with loading proportions and bullet wiehgts until I get sub-MOA groups out to 300 yards or so and velocities which are in the high acceptable range for that caliber without pressure issues and I stop there. Why continue on when I have met my criteria for performance.

I may use the same laoding various calibers for 30 to 50+ years as long as the components are still the same and the load continues to produce small groups, decent velocities and bullet performance. However, I tend to use each rifle for one load and one load only for a target species. If I want a bigger hammer, I et a bigger caliber to use for larger game.

Nothing wrong with being boring and I still to this very day especially with how the new Partition is made being much more accurate than in the early years of my use of the Partition, think that the Partition is still the standard by which all hunting bullets should be compared. Now I am not as boring as you are (no offense intended because you have a great deal of experience handloading) but I like to develop different loads for my rifle for different uses and don't always want to move to a bigger stick for bigger game when I can match a load to the game I intend to take.

Now don't get me wrong because I have hunted with 30 different calibers in the field using 45 different rifles over the 35 years of intense hunting, using from small bore all the way up to 416Wby and 458Win, but I really like the 7mm, 30 caliber, 338 caliber and 35 calibers the best and for those I have optional loads to do different work. Oldtrader3, you are so right about he Partition, what an all around bullet, that can do so much.

 

[Oldtrader3]

I have owned a lot of different calibers and rifles over the past many years as well. I just decided to simplify into a basic battery of rifles which serve all of my needs without a great deal of complexity.

I have no idea how many calibers I have owned and loaded for. Just keeping track of the 28 different Model 70 Wnchesters that I have owed keeps me edgy enough, let along considering all of the levers and other stuff (mauser based bolt actions) which I have owned.

 

[bullet]

I have owned a lot of different calibers and rifles over the past many years as well. I just decided to simplify into a basic battery of rifles which serve all of my needs without a great deal of complexity.

I have no idea how many calibers I have owned and loaded for. Just keeping track of the 28 different Model 70 Wnchesters that I have owed keeps me edgy enough, let along considering all of the levers and other stuff (mauser based bolt actions) which I have owned.

AMEN!!! on keeping one edgy indeed. Now that is to funny Oldtrader3, just to funny, man can I ever relate to your comments. Now that said, it not only cost us a lot of money and time to do all of this, but did we ever learn a lot in the process of weeding out and sorting out what we liked and did not like when it came to makes and models of guns and not to mention caliber choices for game and the constant flow of powder, primers, bullets, brass and finding out what basically works. Yes, I do relate to your comments, but we are certainly the wiser for the road we have traveled. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[Oldtrader3]

Yup, I would not trade the experience for anything. Plus, I learned a lot about loading and caliber performance along the way and that is priceless experience, too bad that I am too old now to use it all! :mrgreen:

 

[RTK]

I guess that I am boring and old fashioned. I shoot almost entirely Partitions for serious work with seven different rifles and have for nearly 50 years. I generally tune loads and play with loading proportions and bullet wiehgts until I get sub-MOA groups out to 300 yards or so and velocities which are in the high acceptable range for that caliber without pressure issues and I stop there. Why continue on when I have met my criteria for performance.

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Nothing wrong with that, unfortunately I live here on the left coat (california) and we have some lead free zones (idiot legislators) so I have no choice. I have been using the same powder and bullets in some of my guns for over 30 years with fantastic results.

 

[bullet]

Yup, I would not trade the experience for anything. Plus, I learned a lot about loading and caliber performance along the way and that is priceless experience, too bad that I am too old now to use it all! :mrgreen:

That is alright, still great to have you comment on what you have experienced. I am not to old yet although I think I would have family put me in a wheel chair if it ever came to that and wheel me out to some spot in the woods or wide open wilderness and just sit there enjoying the many memories that would flash through my mind and just maybe whatever I am hunting at the time might walk within range for me to take a shot. My wife Nancy said, "what if you die going up and down those mountains hunting?" I told her with a smile on my face, "Nancy, know two things, 1. I love you and will always love you. 2. Know that I died happy, because you loved me enough to always let me go hunting, knowing how much I enjoyed it."

 

[Oldtrader3]

Amen to that, Bullet. I figure that I will croak sitting at the range shooting my .340 Bee with a smile on my face.