Today's experiment=180 Grain Accubond

[Alderman]

Rifle=Winchester 70 Stainless
Scope= Leupold 3.5-10
Bullet= Nosler 180 grain AccuBond Factory Seconds
RP cases loaded x 3. Lee Collet sized
1st Try with this Bullet
1st 3 shots out of a clean barrel
Shows some promise. This 180 AccuBond appears it would be a good all around bullet for the 30-06 even though I like the 165 grain bullets for deer.

 

[lhsako]

I like the 165 in th '06 too. 62 grs of the RL22 . in my buddies M700 shoots well.

 

[DrMike]

I use 165/168 grain bullets in my '06, but there is definitely nothing wrong with the 180 grain AB. That load shows promise.

 

[pharmseller]

I'd be worried about the two fliers on the far left.


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[Alderman]

With a group like this, how do you determine which are the fliers?

 

[Ridgerunner665]

With a group like this, how do you determine which are the fliers?

On a clean barrel...I'd consider them all flyers.

I've never thought it a good practice to shoot for groups with less than 20 rounds on a cleaned barrel.

 

[Alderman]

I'm actually interested in what my rifles will do with a clean barrel. During the hunting season it is usually so wet, the barrel needs to be swabbed after each trip afield. Thus knowing what the first shots will do is important in a hunting situation.

 

[Ridgerunner665]

"Oiled" and "cleaned" are two different things...a loose oily patch after hunting will prevent corrosion.

Before hunting a tight patch will remove the oil...and not effect accuracy/sight in.

Cleaning...as in scrubbing the copper out will change the POI...darn near 100% of the time.

Which type of "clean" was the barrel when you shot these groups?

If it was only lubed and patched...disregard my reply.

 

[Rol_P]

I have been struggling to fine the load to shoot bug hole groups from my Rem 700 CDL in 30-06 using the Nosler 180 Accubonds. Tried using IMR 4350 or Reloder 22 and CCI BR2 primers in different cases and found myself discouraged with the results.

Last fall I killed a Montana 5x5 bull and a 4x4 Mulie with 180 Nosler AccuBond in a new Nosler case, WLR primer and 61.0gr of Reloder 22. I had some of these loads left over so yesterday after firing factory 180 Partitions and Accubonds I fired a 3 shot group @ 100yds. and to my great relief and pleasure it created a 1.3" triangle centered on my point of aim. If I remember correctly my jam length with the RCBS comparator is 3.865" and my good loads are seated at 3.745".

Weight sorting the Nosler 180 Partition seconds that I was able to get from SPS revealed up to .4 or .5 grain variance in some from 180 grains. The majority were closer but if you are trying for groups this might have an effect.

Good luck. Rol

 

[Alderman]

Ridge Runner

This rifle was given a good cleaning with Copper remover before these shots. I don't disagree with what you say at all, just that for my own use the guns generally get a good scrubbing at 20 rounds, sooner if out in the weather. I don't feel comfortable running an oily patch over a dirty barrel and calling it good. I think dust rusts out here in the PNW.
A lot of times I am using a freshly scrubbed firearm to hunt with so I am interested in what the first couple of shots do for me.

 

[Ridgerunner665]

You can clean all the powder residue out and not effect the sight in much, if at all...run as many CLP soaked patches through it as you want....that's fine.

But removing the copper does nothing to prevent rust...not a single thing...

I'm not trying to tell you how to take care of your stuff...just saying, a little copper in a bore can be a good thing.

 

[Alderman]

I've read that too. Just so happened I had a wild hair last Spring and took a shot at cleaning the copper out of some of my rifles just to see what would happen. I've never tried it before but to be honest I don't see where it has improved the groups produced. I did get some pretty ugly patches out of them. Will keep firing and see if things change on these as it is new territory for me.

 

[Ridgerunner665]

Once in a while the copper has to be cleaned out or it can cause problems...I clean mine once per year (after hunting season), whether they need it or not.

 

[OU812]

Ridge Runner

This rifle was given a good cleaning with Copper remover before these shots. I don't disagree with what you say at all, just that for my own use the guns generally get a good scrubbing at 20 rounds, sooner if out in the weather. I don't feel comfortable running an oily patch over a dirty barrel and calling it good. I think dust rusts out here in the PNW.
A lot of times I am using a freshly scrubbed firearm to hunt with so I am interested in what the first couple of shots do for me.

I do the same at about 20 rounds, makes barrel cleanup easier and faster. Prior to hunting or shooting for accuracy for me it's 3 fouling rounds and rock on.

 

[lhsako]

Once in a while the copper has to be cleaned out or it can cause problems...I clean mine once per year (after hunting season), whether they need it or not.

>>>>this is what I do as well. w/ the cop out system. really takes out the CU !!!!!! during load testing/ hunting field practice, I always shoot a fouling shot and let the barrel cool. the name of the game is the same. 8)

 

[Oldtrader3]

Pretty decent groups for 180 AB. My Model 70 prefers Partition 165's but not all rifles like every bullet. Good luck with that.

 

[Alderman]

I shoot 165's for deer. The loads I first started hunting with when I just had one rifle used Sierra HP 's or Spitzer Boat Tails.

 

[andrewctillman]

Ridgerunners advice to run a tight patch through your barrel prior to shooting is a good one. I leave some Rem Oil in my bore for storage, and always get one flyer (first shot) unless I run a tight dry patch through the bore. Not scientific, but seems to work in my very accurate Remington 40X.

 

[Vince]

I too use the tight patch method but I soak it in brake cleaner first.
I've found it makes a real difference on the "flyer" issue of the first round from an oiled bore.