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What about the classic 6.5x55?
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In that case you might look at the 6.5 Creedmoor. Low recoil and it's suppose to be good to 1000 yds. Plus it's a factory chambering so brass will be available and you won't have to make your own.remingtonman_25_06":20b5xebj said:This would be solely a dog killer and long range steel plinker.
Recoil and barrel life would be something to think about.
EOD Diver":12c37zx6 said:If you're looking at the .243, you should give the 6mm Remington some thought (with a tight twist for the heavier stuff). David, how about a little backup here. The little bigger gas tank and longer neck are your friend!
Joe
remingtonman_25_06":170p5d0y said:Thoughts on caliber and bullet mainly.
standard or wildcat.
remingtonman_25_06":1z324faw said:Thoughts on caliber and bullet mainly.
standard or wildcat.
remingtonman_25_06":1xpujz4g said:In my mind, a 105 seems more like a dedicated weight for coyotes then a 140, just kinda makes sense anyway.
So many decisions. ..
remingtonman_25_06":3nrbieea said:Doing a bit of research today on various calibers etc that were mentioned.
the 6.5x47 looks good with lapua brass but I dont think it quite has the ballistics im looking for. Very efficient case.
should mention im not a huge fan of short actions..
Whats velocity like with your 6.5-300 win mags with 28" bbls again Nathan?
Keep coming back to the 6.5 simply for that fact as well, works from coyotes through elk and black bear.
Cartridge : .257 Weath. Mag
Bullet : .257, 75, Hornady V-Max
Useable Case Capaci: 80.732 grain H2O = 5.242 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.170 inch = 80.52 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
165 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N570 109.6 86.0 5.57 4075 94.5 64000 15611 1.022 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder 33 108.9 89.1 5.77 4045 95.4 64000 15270 1.026 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 106.9 79.1 5.13 4045 100.0 64000 13739 1.015 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 99.1 77.0 4.99 4044 99.6 64000 14292 1.022 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 101.0 76.8 4.97 4041 97.5 64000 14578 1.015 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 99.8 76.3 4.94 4038 98.0 64000 14205 1.004 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 105.5 76.3 4.94 4038 98.0 64000 14205 1.004 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 109.0 81.1 5.25 4028 98.5 64000 14506 1.029 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 103.1 82.1 5.32 4027 98.5 64000 14236 1.014 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 103.4 82.2 5.32 4026 98.5 64000 14222 1.014 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 103.3 82.0 5.32 4025 98.6 64000 14203 1.014 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 100.9 75.9 4.92 4023 97.9 64000 14053 1.001 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 101.3 76.2 4.94 4015 98.9 64000 14079 1.019 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 101.3 76.2 4.94 4015 98.9 64000 14079 1.019 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 101.3 76.2 4.94 4015 98.9 64000 14079 1.019 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 101.0 79.9 5.18 4014 96.2 64000 14531 1.025 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 104.0 76.5 4.96 4012 98.8 64000 14077 1.020 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 104.5 80.7 5.23 4001 98.3 64000 13779 1.003 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 109.8 80.8 5.24 3997 98.3 64000 13735 1.004 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 98.0 72.5 4.70 3988 98.7 64000 13486 1.002 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 102.6 75.8 4.91 3980 97.5 64000 13751 1.017 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 98.5 73.3 4.75 3979 98.8 64000 13521 1.010 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 94.1 72.3 4.69 3974 99.9 64000 13170 1.016 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 99.2 73.8 4.78 3969 98.8 64000 13411 1.011 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 104.4 79.2 5.13 3965 96.0 64000 13700 1.005 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 93.9 69.1 4.48 3964 100.0 64000 12750 1.017 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 93.9 69.1 4.48 3963 100.0 64000 12746 1.017 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 91.2 69.4 4.50 3961 100.0 64000 12863 1.021 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 95.5 70.7 4.58 3960 100.0 64000 12336 1.027 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 96.6 71.9 4.66 3959 98.6 64000 13238 1.007 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 93.6 71.9 4.66 3959 98.6 64000 13238 1.007 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 96.6 71.9 4.66 3959 98.6 64000 13238 1.007 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 97.2 69.2 4.48 3955 100.0 64000 12744 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 99.6 75.0 4.86 3944 97.2 64000 13271 1.008 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 103.6 75.0 4.86 3944 97.2 64000 13271 1.008 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 98.4 70.1 4.54 3936 100.0 64000 12463 1.026 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 94.3 71.3 4.62 3932 99.5 64000 12814 1.018 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 98.6 74.2 4.81 3928 99.4 64000 12948 1.029 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 97.6 71.6 4.64 3928 97.8 64000 12938 1.006 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 93.8 69.1 4.48 3924 99.7 64000 12686 1.021 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 96.4 70.2 4.55 3922 99.3 64000 12627 1.007 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 94.6 70.0 4.54 3922 99.4 64000 12609 1.007 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 110.0 82.3 5.33 3919 99.5 56650 14175 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 92.0 67.2 4.35 3913 99.3 64000 12550 1.010 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 96.3 69.3 4.49 3912 100.0 64000 11807 1.017 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 97.0 76.1 4.93 3910 98.7 64000 12778 1.017 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2218 110.0 87.2 5.65 3908 91.9 57490 15216 1.060 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 103.6 76.3 4.94 3903 99.2 64000 12596 1.022 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071 107.3 75.5 4.89 3903 99.9 64000 12577 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 107.3 75.5 4.89 3903 99.9 64000 12577 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 92.9 67.6 4.38 3902 99.9 64000 12272 1.018 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 90.8 67.1 4.35 3901 99.9 64000 12068 1.002 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 104.0 74.2 4.81 3896 97.8 64000 12634 1.012 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 96.3 76.3 4.95 3867 97.3 64000 12530 1.021 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 90.8 63.2 4.09 3862 100.0 64000 11341 1.044 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 90.1 69.3 4.49 3848 99.2 64000 11839 1.013 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 94.5 66.3 4.30 3847 100.0 64000 11185 1.019 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 110.0 87.2 5.65 3845 87.0 60576 13544 1.042 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D100 108.9 87.2 5.65 3833 89.1 64000 12827 1.028 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135 91.0 61.4 3.98 3813 100.0 64000 10544 1.022 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170 110.0 81.0 5.25 3776 91.3 58492 12984 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 110.0 84.5 5.48 3762 92.7 51210 14265 1.138
Alliant Reloder-50 110.0 88.5 5.74 3720 89.8 50146 14501 1.174
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 110.0 86.6 5.61 3638 81.3 51581 13423 1.177
Hodgdon US 869 110.0 87.2 5.65 3572 82.7 49204 12570 1.161
Hodgdon 50BMG 110.0 83.1 5.39 3568 78.0 48758 12568 1.159
SNPE Vectan SP 13 110.0 83.6 5.42 3491 86.6 44687 12382 1.219
Vihtavuori 20N29 110.0 88.1 5.71 3437 82.8 43168 12349 1.242
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 110.0 83.6 5.42 3401 83.4 41871 12003 1.256
Accurate 8700 110.0 83.8 5.43 3372 83.8 40839 11941 1.261
NC A3502 ,test only 110.0 80.1 5.19 3126 58.3 37713 9394 1.300
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 110.0 80.1 5.19 3093 62.9 35488 9861 1.341
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star 99.6 37.0 2.40 3022 100.0 64000 5486 1.006 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AS 25 BP 110.0 27.6 1.79 2620 100.0 41039 4358 1.216
IMR TrailBoss 110.0 27.6 1.79 2620 100.0 41039 4358 1.216
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 110.0 80.1 5.19 2215 28.7 19386 4596 1.735
BK":dy3jdpyf said:Setting brass/ammo costs aside, a Vanguard S2 .240 Weatherby would be pretty close to the top of the list!
Rem Jim":33v3ut4j said:Fotis please run load dat on the 257 BEE with the 100 gr Nosler BT for me PLEASE ! :grin: Thks
Cheers RJ
Cartridge : .257 Weath. Mag
Bullet : .257, 100, Nosler BalTip 25100
Useable Case Capaci: 77.655 grain H2O = 5.042 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.170 inch = 80.52 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 65000 psi, or 448 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
172 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ADI AR 2218 109.2 83.2 5.39 3740 97.8 65000 16640 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 105.3 79.5 5.15 3716 97.4 65000 16334 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder 33 104.8 82.5 5.34 3692 98.0 65000 15992 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 109.2 78.6 5.09 3685 100.0 65000 14423 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 97.0 71.0 4.60 3661 99.4 65000 14912 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 95.9 70.5 4.57 3653 99.6 65000 14470 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 101.4 70.5 4.57 3653 99.6 65000 14470 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 104.7 74.9 4.86 3652 99.8 65000 14793 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 99.1 76.0 4.92 3651 99.8 65000 14538 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 95.1 71.0 4.60 3650 100.0 65000 14335 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 99.5 76.0 4.93 3650 99.8 65000 14525 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 99.3 75.9 4.92 3649 99.9 65000 14496 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 97.1 73.9 4.79 3646 98.6 65000 15010 1.124 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 102.5 73.0 4.73 3642 100.0 65000 13759 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 97.1 70.3 4.55 3641 99.6 65000 14354 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 100.8 74.9 4.85 3635 99.8 65000 14098 1.101 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 106.0 75.0 4.86 3632 99.8 65000 14056 1.101 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 97.3 70.4 4.56 3630 99.9 65000 14252 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 97.3 70.4 4.56 3630 99.9 65000 14252 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 97.3 70.4 4.56 3630 99.9 65000 14252 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 99.9 70.8 4.59 3628 99.9 65000 14270 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 110.0 81.3 5.27 3621 98.2 61337 15564 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50 110.0 85.2 5.52 3612 96.5 61248 16115 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 100.7 73.5 4.76 3604 98.5 65000 14216 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 98.7 70.1 4.55 3604 99.3 65000 14066 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 94.3 67.2 4.35 3600 99.9 65000 13647 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 94.8 67.9 4.40 3594 99.9 65000 13689 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 107.9 82.3 5.33 3594 92.2 65000 14806 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 95.5 68.4 4.43 3586 99.9 65000 13587 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 90.5 66.9 4.33 3577 100.0 65000 13139 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 90.2 66.6 4.32 3575 99.9 65000 13410 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 93.1 66.6 4.32 3575 99.9 65000 13410 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 93.1 66.6 4.32 3575 99.9 65000 13410 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 96.1 69.5 4.50 3573 99.2 65000 13618 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 99.9 69.5 4.50 3573 99.2 65000 13618 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 90.2 63.8 4.14 3554 100.0 65000 12659 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 90.2 63.9 4.14 3554 100.0 65000 12655 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 94.1 66.4 4.30 3550 99.5 65000 13182 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 93.2 63.8 4.14 3546 100.0 65000 12618 1.138 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 94.9 68.7 4.45 3546 100.0 65000 13021 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170 108.8 77.1 4.99 3545 96.0 65000 14029 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 90.9 66.0 4.28 3543 100.0 65000 12840 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 91.5 65.1 4.22 3539 100.0 65000 12252 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 93.6 70.6 4.58 3537 99.9 65000 12993 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 92.9 65.1 4.22 3534 100.0 65000 12678 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 91.2 64.9 4.21 3533 100.0 65000 12650 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 90.3 64.0 4.15 3530 100.0 65000 12657 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 94.5 64.8 4.20 3530 100.0 65000 12379 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 99.9 70.7 4.58 3527 100.0 65000 12729 1.122 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 100.4 68.9 4.46 3525 99.5 65000 12908 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 103.2 69.8 4.52 3517 100.0 65000 12563 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071 103.2 69.8 4.52 3517 100.0 65000 12563 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 110.0 83.3 5.40 3517 88.9 61006 15267 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D100 105.5 81.3 5.27 3511 92.9 65000 13713 1.124 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 93.1 71.0 4.60 3506 99.2 65000 12886 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 92.5 64.1 4.15 3499 100.0 65000 11726 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US 869 110.0 83.9 5.44 3445 90.3 57742 14288 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG 110.0 79.9 5.18 3439 85.9 57163 14411 1.186
Vihtavuori N150 91.0 61.4 3.98 3435 100.0 65000 11133 1.124 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 13 110.0 80.5 5.21 3367 93.8 53200 13900 1.241
Vihtavuori 20N29 110.0 84.7 5.49 3343 91.0 51541 14139 1.260
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 110.0 80.5 5.21 3291 91.3 49684 13652 1.279
Accurate 8700 110.0 80.6 5.22 3276 92.3 48030 13632 1.284
NC A3502 ,test only 110.0 77.0 4.99 3029 67.9 42884 11530 1.342
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 110.0 77.0 4.99 3000 71.8 40746 11769 1.382
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star 99.9 35.7 2.31 2670 100.0 65000 5523 1.134 ! Near Maximum !
IMR TrailBoss 110.0 26.5 1.72 2299 100.0 41844 4326 1.373
ADI AS 25 BP 110.0 26.5 1.72 2299 100.0 41844 4326 1.373
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 110.0 77.0 4.99 2143 33.5 21823 5679 1.821